Western Arms M4 CQB-R GBB

Blackspeed416 · April 18th, 2008, 18:24

It my new grail gun... I must have it. Has anyone purchased one and why have you not posted a review yet.

YouTube - Redwolf Airsoft - New Western Arms M4 CQB-R with Blowback

Bowers · April 18th, 2008, 18:30

umm i believe this is a repost

Qlong · April 18th, 2008, 18:32

There's also a discussion on the PTW forums somewhere.

acorn_giblet · April 18th, 2008, 18:34

oh ho ho... I so agree with you on that!
I personally think that GBBs trump AEG any day... yeah i know they don't work in the cold, blah blah... I still want one!

Anyone know where these can be purchased?

The Saint · April 18th, 2008, 18:45

I would suggest this person, he has access to UNCo, which has them WAs.

Or you could wait for Tanio Koba's GBB rendition of the C8.

swatt13 · April 18th, 2008, 19:09

i love it, its freeking awesome. if it was a choice between that and a ptw i would prolly go with that. granted you would prolly have lots opf stress like you do with any gbb where as with a ptw not so much. this is just sweet ass. everything youd want in a rifle. only thing id like to see is it converted to run on nitrogen rahter than propane.

jtjcheng · April 18th, 2008, 20:06

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Originally Posted by swatt13

i love it, its freeking awesome. if it was a choice between that and a ptw i would prolly go with that. granted you would prolly have lots opf stress like you do with any gbb where as with a ptw not so much. this is just sweet ass. everything youd want in a rifle. only thing id like to see is it converted to run on nitrogen rahter than propane.

N2(g)? Wow, this is an awesome idea I have never thought of.

It shouldn't have problems with low temperatures, as N2(l) forms at -80oC anyways.

jtjcheng · April 18th, 2008, 20:08

Wait...I haven't thought about the vapour pressure...so I don't know yet...

But N2(g) would definitely be a cheap source...it just takes a bit more of space...so a larger container might be needed...

Endymion · April 18th, 2008, 20:10

Paintballers have been using it for years. It's called High Pressure Air. Sure, it may not be pure N2, but for the application it's practically the same thing - it's like arguing Green Gas vs. propane.

swatt13 · April 18th, 2008, 20:14

the main thing is with n2 it inert and isnt affected by the ambient air humidity and temp. thats the main reason ballers use it so they can shoot a consistent 300fps. every fps over that cost points in a tourny game, and you want your balls flying as fast as you can. but for us, we wouldnt have bleed down or freeze ups.

txaggie08 · April 19th, 2008, 05:37

You wouldn't have problems with regulated HPA in a GBB. The amount of air required to get a paintball moving 300fps is massive compared to the air it would take to fling a bb at 550fps. Most paintball regulators can bring air down sub 200psi and up to about 800psi and hold it there consistently with a paintball gun cycling in the mid 20BPS range.

Why would you believe you would see freeze ups and bleed down from nitrogen(commonly called HPA in the paintball community....)? nitrogen really does not cool off significantly unless MASSIVE quantities are being released.

I would think converting the gun would be as simple as installing a 1/8 NPT fitting into one of the mags gas chamber and running an on-tank or inline regulator. It should be reasonably simple.

If one of you would like a hand with parts selection on the paintball end, I'm actually a qualified airsmith

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Uziguy · April 19th, 2008, 10:55

In the Arnies news section someone already posted that a Chinese manufacturer has already cloned the WA M4 and it will be released in the next couple of months at considerably less cost and a full metal body.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...owtopic=141513

Personally, i'll be waiting for the clone and some reviews before buying.

The Saint · April 19th, 2008, 11:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uziguy

In the Arnies news section someone already posted that a Chinese manufacturer has already cloned the WA M4 and it will be released in the next couple of months at considerably less cost and a full metal body.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...owtopic=141513

Personally, i'll be waiting for the clone and some reviews before buying.

ROFL.

It was a joke on FarEast's part. The pics are of a TK C8 prototype.

Blackspeed416 · April 19th, 2008, 11:27

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Originally Posted by TCSF-Bowers

umm i believe this is a repost

I used the search button before posting.

My point is that we really need a review. I want this gun but not so willing to pony up the cash until I know how it performs. Unlike the Systema Revo box which I plan on being one of the first.

mcguyver · April 19th, 2008, 13:00

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=57189

This was 7 threads below yours. And Seiga on the PTW forums did an in-depth photo shot of his and some performance testing. Terrible for gaming, but cool for recoil and effect.

And good luck getting one in Canada. The internals look so much like the real thing that an AR owner/user will recognize how much. The average CBSA agent who sees a moving bolt like that with hammer, selector and disconnector in the lower would think it's a real weapon.

This is so vastly different that an AEG with a mechbox.

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April 18th, 2008, 18:24	#1
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April 18th, 2008, 18:32	#3
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April 18th, 2008, 18:45	#5
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	I would suggest this person, he has access to UNCo, which has them WAs. Or you could wait for Tanio Koba's GBB rendition of the C8. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

April 18th, 2008, 18:30	#2
Bowers Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2007	umm i believe this is a repost

April 18th, 2008, 18:34	#4
acorn_giblet Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Downtown Toronto	oh ho ho... I so agree with you on that! I personally think that GBBs trump AEG any day... yeah i know they don't work in the cold, blah blah... I still want one! Anyone know where these can be purchased?

April 18th, 2008, 20:08	#8
jtjcheng Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vancouver, B.C.	Wait...I haven't thought about the vapour pressure...so I don't know yet... But N2(g) would definitely be a cheap source...it just takes a bit more of space...so a larger container might be needed... __________________ Velocity, Distance, Acceleration, Time... A gun has them all...

April 18th, 2008, 20:10	#9
Endymion Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Markham, ON	Paintballers have been using it for years. It's called High Pressure Air. Sure, it may not be pure N2, but for the application it's practically the same thing - it's like arguing Green Gas vs. propane.

April 19th, 2008, 05:37	#11
txaggie08 Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Gulf Coast	You wouldn't have problems with regulated HPA in a GBB. The amount of air required to get a paintball moving 300fps is massive compared to the air it would take to fling a bb at 550fps. Most paintball regulators can bring air down sub 200psi and up to about 800psi and hold it there consistently with a paintball gun cycling in the mid 20BPS range. Why would you believe you would see freeze ups and bleed down from nitrogen(commonly called HPA in the paintball community....)? nitrogen really does not cool off significantly unless MASSIVE quantities are being released. I would think converting the gun would be as simple as installing a 1/8 NPT fitting into one of the mags gas chamber and running an on-tank or inline regulator. It should be reasonably simple. If one of you would like a hand with parts selection on the paintball end, I'm actually a qualified airsmith .

April 19th, 2008, 10:55	#12
Uziguy Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Barrie	In the Arnies news section someone already posted that a Chinese manufacturer has already cloned the WA M4 and it will be released in the next couple of months at considerably less cost and a full metal body. http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...owtopic=141513 Personally, i'll be waiting for the clone and some reviews before buying.

April 19th, 2008, 13:00	#15
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=57189 This was 7 threads below yours. And Seiga on the PTW forums did an in-depth photo shot of his and some performance testing. Terrible for gaming, but cool for recoil and effect. And good luck getting one in Canada. The internals look so much like the real thing that an AR owner/user will recognize how much. The average CBSA agent who sees a moving bolt like that with hammer, selector and disconnector in the lower would think it's a real weapon. This is so vastly different that an AEG with a mechbox. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

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