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Ninja_En_Short · July 8th, 2011, 01:03

Hello people,

Let’s start with what this thread is all about:

In the last two years I spent here I have seen people coming to me with AEG (mainly) going “Ninja save my gun plz”. But After two years of very poorly constructed AEGs, screwdrivers or my GB knife stuck in my fingers or hands because I had to force open guns that were not meant to be disassembled (ever), Ninja is a “tiny bit” fed up.
So now I will tell what to buy and what not to buy. After that, if you still want to be ripped off that’s your issue.
I will also start very soon a review website with videos to explain everything about cheap (PS: I’m an Internet Explorer hater so go get Chrome or Firefox at once! :P).

First I need to tell you a very basic thing about cheaps (not the ones you eat or play with in an Indian casino): yes it is made by underpaid Chinese workers, yes it is not as good as a shiny brand but Hell! Some are indeed piece of crap, but some have gone a very, very long way since the first Marui clones and some are actually exceptional if you’re ready to make a few mods or pay a guy like me to do them in your place.

Most of us have at least heard some names like Jing Gong, Cyma or Galaxy. Those three are the most commonly known here in Canada. I will concentrate on AEGs for now, even though I know some people are considering me as the GBBR doc in Montreal, but more importantly the ones worth my time and above all: your wallet one.

Last point : these lines are only meant to be a general overview of the brand, for the case-by-case version you will have to ask directly OR wait for a review.

This part below is about AEGs, not shotguns, not GBBRs, AEG only.

What's a cheap ?
A regular question for newcomers : "Cheap" is a common name given to a very wide range of guns no matter if they're AEG, GBB or GBBR usually under 250$ (Hong Kong prices).
These guns are mainly made in China with less quality control which can result in more or less serious lemons from paint chipping to broken gearbox.
Some are just poorly designed (like some high end ones I might say) with pot metal or pot plastic (even worse) that will cark easily and then someday you end up with one half of gun in each hand... that may ruin your day.

Jing Gong
This one came out of darkness with a clone of the Marui G36. At the time, sorry, even now this gun is still very popular and known for its sturdiness and very low price yet the bodies were giving off the cheap construction. They tried to continue with decent AKs and MP5s but unfortunately all plastic which was a huge turndown for guys like me (i.e. 99% of the community) who demands metal where the real gun has metal. This with a few exceptions like M4s, HK416s and SR25 of various qualities, even between two guns of the same model, yet they were decent full metal.
The gearboxes were very decent for the price but often needed and new piston head and cylinder because it had leaks, after that it was a gun with power between 390 and 470, huge gap indeed…
Nowadays JG is pretty much gone from market even if we still see some small batch of guns appear now and then (Uncompany got some this week).

CYMA
For me and many, many users, the absolute best cheap brand of these last years. They began small with plastic AKs and MP5s cloned from Marui and a tiny bit under JG in terms of quality but unlike JG, they knew they had to evolve to make a name for themselves and quickly started making them in aluminum alloy (some are actually steel now).
They have perfected their manufacturing processes with time and even though the GB could still be improved (like any cheap) they are the absolute kings of cheap AKs and MP5s, the firsts being Marui clones, the seconds being G&G ones. They feature beautiful metal bodies and incredibly sturdy.
Also, one thing I like about their MP5 lineup in addition of featuring many models is that they actually have a proper MP5 weight which is a heavy SMG (it’s a G3 in 9mm remember) and very easy to disassemble. The Galaxy ones are giving me nightmares, they look at me angry in my sleep I know it!
For the AK they also have a very wide choice of models and for old style fans they even feature wood stocks and hand guards. Even me who doesn’t like AK very much want one for collection… plus playing Taliban with M4 is no fun .

They also make the M1 Thompson version

Dboys/Kalash (they’re the same)
CYMA is huge but they don’t do AR types. This is where Dboys comes in. They have decent quality and a wide choice of guns too (they’re one of the only manufacturers to make the Troy CASV for example). Some players have reported a tendency of the painting to chip which is true on some old models that had a pretty sloppy paint job. Nowadays they make very decent models, including the only true alternative to the VFC SCAR L (discontinued by USA by the way, only the SCAR H/MK17 remains). There is no real way to know which gun is old or new version given they’re usually mixed up but nowadays shops are normally out of old versions. Gearbox, like always, is subject to huge difference of power and may need adjustments (or not).
Kalash is exactly the same brand but they sell AKs… and really not the best. Even though they look ok from the outside there are known to have sloppy, almost specific dimensions and may demand a huge effort to adapt to other brand hop up block and magazines (I hurt myself several times doing the job on Long Bong former AK). For my hands sake, you Russian fans go pick up a CYMA.

A&K
Another of my favorites, mostly because they make an affordable and very decent version of the SR25 in both standard and Battle Entry Carbine version as well as the MK43 (wrongly called M60E4). Yet they are also known to be manufacturing the Masada and ACR (they didn’t develop it) for Magpul PTS and M249 in standard and paratrooper versions. The ones I just told you about are sturdy and reliable for some time yet they usually quickly need fixing leaks on the compression system and change from crappy 6 or 7 mm plastic bushings to bearings. The rest of the gearbox is reinforced and able to hold very well against high power or 11.1V batteries. Another I like them is that they tend to keep their guns in a range of power so we can use it directly (400 fps-ish).

NOW THE ONES YOU SHOULD NOT BUY !
(big enough ?)

I will not detail every single/numerous flaw(s) they have, just know they have a pain is my ass enough for me to hate them. Just don't buy these EVER !
I'll bluescreen all your guns past present and future if you do.

- Well (Never ever ever ever ever times infinity twice)
- Both Elephant (Same)
- Galaxy (same as before only times infinity just once)
- Double Eagle (except UMP)
- JLS
- Unicorn (seriously, needed me to tell you that ?)
- Cybergun (because they don’t make anything, just resell any crap they get for 3-5 times what it’s worth)

I will edit this thread from time to time to bring you reviews about cheap and exclusively cheap. For the rest you can ask around you.
I will try to bring at least one new review each month on a cheap in video for you to make your choice and I remain open to PM for your question.

Cheers!

July 8th, 2011, 01:03	#1
Ninja_En_Short Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: France, Canada (Montréal)	A talk of "Cheap" Hello people, Let’s start with what this thread is all about: In the last two years I spent here I have seen people coming to me with AEG (mainly) going “Ninja save my gun plz”. But After two years of very poorly constructed AEGs, screwdrivers or my GB knife stuck in my fingers or hands because I had to force open guns that were not meant to be disassembled (ever), Ninja is a “tiny bit” fed up. So now I will tell what to buy and what not to buy. After that, if you still want to be ripped off that’s your issue. I will also start very soon a review website with videos to explain everything about cheap (PS: I’m an Internet Explorer hater so go get Chrome or Firefox at once! :P). First I need to tell you a very basic thing about cheaps (not the ones you eat or play with in an Indian casino): yes it is made by underpaid Chinese workers, yes it is not as good as a shiny brand but Hell! Some are indeed piece of crap, but some have gone a very, very long way since the first Marui clones and some are actually exceptional if you’re ready to make a few mods or pay a guy like me to do them in your place. Most of us have at least heard some names like Jing Gong, Cyma or Galaxy. Those three are the most commonly known here in Canada. I will concentrate on AEGs for now, even though I know some people are considering me as the GBBR doc in Montreal, but more importantly the ones worth my time and above all: your wallet one. Last point : these lines are only meant to be a general overview of the brand, for the case-by-case version you will have to ask directly OR wait for a review. This part below is about AEGs, not shotguns, not GBBRs, AEG only. *What's a cheap ?* A regular question for newcomers : "Cheap" is a common name given to a very wide range of guns no matter if they're AEG, GBB or GBBR usually under 250$ (Hong Kong prices). These guns are mainly made in China with less quality control which can result in more or less serious lemons from paint chipping to broken gearbox. Some are just poorly designed (like some high end ones I might say) with pot metal or pot plastic (even worse) that will cark easily and then someday you end up with one half of gun in each hand... that may ruin your day. *Jing Gong* This one came out of darkness with a clone of the Marui G36. At the time, sorry, even now this gun is still very popular and known for its sturdiness and very low price yet the bodies were giving off the cheap construction. They tried to continue with decent AKs and MP5s but unfortunately all plastic which was a huge turndown for guys like me (i.e. 99% of the community) who demands metal where the real gun has metal. This with a few exceptions like M4s, HK416s and SR25 of various qualities, even between two guns of the same model, yet they were decent full metal. The gearboxes were very decent for the price but often needed and new piston head and cylinder because it had leaks, after that it was a gun with power between 390 and 470, huge gap indeed… Nowadays JG is pretty much gone from market even if we still see some small batch of guns appear now and then (Uncompany got some this week). *CYMA* For me and many, many users, the absolute best cheap brand of these last years. They began small with plastic AKs and MP5s cloned from Marui and a tiny bit under JG in terms of quality but unlike JG, they knew they had to evolve to make a name for themselves and quickly started making them in aluminum alloy (some are actually steel now). They have perfected their manufacturing processes with time and even though the GB could still be improved (like any cheap) they are the absolute kings of cheap AKs and MP5s, the firsts being Marui clones, the seconds being G&G ones. They feature beautiful metal bodies and incredibly sturdy. Also, one thing I like about their MP5 lineup in addition of featuring many models is that they actually have a proper MP5 weight which is a heavy SMG (it’s a G3 in 9mm remember) and very easy to disassemble. The Galaxy ones are giving me nightmares, they look at me angry in my sleep I know it! For the AK they also have a very wide choice of models and for old style fans they even feature wood stocks and hand guards. Even me who doesn’t like AK very much want one for collection… plus playing Taliban with M4 is no fun . They also make the M1 Thompson version *Dboys/Kalash* (they’re the same) CYMA is huge but they don’t do AR types. This is where Dboys comes in. They have decent quality and a wide choice of guns too (they’re one of the only manufacturers to make the Troy CASV for example). Some players have reported a tendency of the painting to chip which is true on some old models that had a pretty sloppy paint job. Nowadays they make very decent models, including the only true alternative to the VFC SCAR L (discontinued by USA by the way, only the SCAR H/MK17 remains). There is no real way to know which gun is old or new version given they’re usually mixed up but nowadays shops are normally out of old versions. Gearbox, like always, is subject to huge difference of power and may need adjustments (or not). Kalash is exactly the same brand but they sell AKs… and really not the best. Even though they look ok from the outside there are known to have sloppy, almost specific dimensions and may demand a huge effort to adapt to other brand hop up block and magazines (I hurt myself several times doing the job on Long Bong former AK). For my hands sake, you Russian fans go pick up a CYMA. *A&K* Another of my favorites, mostly because they make an affordable and very decent version of the SR25 in both standard and Battle Entry Carbine version as well as the MK43 (wrongly called M60E4). Yet they are also known to be manufacturing the Masada and ACR (they didn’t develop it) for Magpul PTS and M249 in standard and paratrooper versions. The ones I just told you about are sturdy and reliable for some time yet they usually quickly need fixing leaks on the compression system and change from crappy 6 or 7 mm plastic bushings to bearings. The rest of the gearbox is reinforced and able to hold very well against high power or 11.1V batteries. Another I like them is that they tend to keep their guns in a range of power so we can use it directly (400 fps-ish). NOW THE ONES YOU SHOULD NOT BUY ! (big enough ?) I will not detail every single/numerous flaw(s) they have, just know they have a pain is my ass enough for me to hate them. Just don't buy these EVER ! I'll bluescreen all your guns past present and future if you do. - Well (Never ever ever ever ever times infinity twice) - Both Elephant (Same) - Galaxy (same as before only times infinity just once) - Double Eagle (except UMP) - JLS - Unicorn (seriously, needed me to tell you that ?) - Cybergun (because they don’t make anything, just resell any crap they get for 3-5 times what it’s worth) I will edit this thread from time to time to bring you reviews about cheap and exclusively cheap. For the rest you can ask around you. I will try to bring at least one new review each month on a cheap in video for you to make your choice and I remain open to PM for your question. Cheers! __________________ Tous les jours nous nous endormons plus instruits mais pas forcément moins bêtes... I can do a CTRL+ATL+DEL on your gun ! Gun doc in Montreal on AEG, GBB, GBBR and Bolt rifle (gaz and spring) Heavy custom builder (including painting) Last edited by Ninja_En_Short; July 13th, 2011 at 15:50..