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BobbyDangerous March 1st, 2010 12:20

New To This Hobby
 
A buddy of mine in my clan on Socom Confrontation told me about this. I've known about airsoft or a long time now but i nver knew that it has become competative like paint ball. I'm looking to grab a gun but i don't know where to really start. Mostly everything is all online which sucks because i can't hold the gun and check it out hands on. I'm from toronto and i scoped out a few stores in one of the other forums but no real info was given on the site. I guess i'm just onna have to grab online and go with what positive reviews have been given on the guns.. Any help would be appreciative. I'm sure people are gonna tell me to sur more though lol.. Cheers..

R.I.T.Z March 1st, 2010 12:23

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Listen, I’m going to save you a lot of flaming from other members. As well as the repetitive advice you will receive.
Most everyone on this forum will tell you to get “Age verified” and buy from the classifieds.
You cannot import any guns from websites outside of Canada.
Airsoft is a 18+ sport
Sniping is not for newbies
If you are underage please do not try to circumvent the system in place, its there for a reason.
Nobody will help you get a gun if you are not age verified or underage
Do not play in your backyard/forest or anything of the like. Only play on official fields.
Please read the FAQ’s

Conker March 1st, 2010 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyDangerous (Post 1176018)
it has become competative like paint ball.

It has not. This is not the spirit most airsofters share.

There is no -at least, not in Canada, to my knowledge- airsoft competitions, per se (there is CAPS, but it's much, much different than competitive speedball/paintball). 99% of the airsofters play for fun and a lot also do for realism, but not competitive cheating.

PS: R.I.T.Z the copypasting machine was here! :D

sarosh March 1st, 2010 12:24

there are many places in toronto to get guns. you must be age verified first to make sure you are over 18. if u decide to buy online make sure its from canadian websites.

Danneichh March 1st, 2010 12:25

Hey, welcome to the forum. One of the big things people will tell you here is to get age verified. Age verification is a process where you meet with an elected member of the community, to see if you're over 18. It doesn't cost anything, and you get to meet some people heavily invested in the community. Then, after a few days, you get a nice little 'Age Verified' Tag, and you can view the classifieds, where you can buy and sell used (and sometimes new) guns. Until you are age verified, you're pretty much left with dealing with brick and mortar stores. Another piece of advice i can give you is read the FAQ's. it's a lot, but trust me, the knowledge gained from them is extremely helpful.

Blast!!! R.I.T.Z. beat me to the punch!!!

BobbyDangerous March 1st, 2010 12:27

Yeah i'm 31

BobbyDangerous March 1st, 2010 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danneichh (Post 1176025)
Hey, welcome to the forum. One of the big things people will tell you here is to get age verified. Age verification is a process where you meet with an elected member of the community, to see if you're over 18. It doesn't cost anything, and you get to meet some people heavily invested in the community. Then, after a few days, you get a nice little 'Age Verified' Tag, and you can view the classifieds, where you can buy and sell used (and sometimes new) guns. Until you are age verified, you're pretty much left with dealing with brick and mortar stores. Another piece of advice i can give you is read the FAQ's. it's a lot, but trust me, the knowledge gained from them is extremely helpful.

Blast!!! R.I.T.Z. beat me to the punch!!!


Thanks or the advise. I did message a toronto rep so we'll see if i hear back..

Danneichh March 1st, 2010 12:29

Alright, in that case, your best bet is getting age verified. It can be done at games as well, usually there's an age verifier or two at most large games. And it's a good way to meet more of the community.

Danneichh March 1st, 2010 12:30

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Originally Posted by BobbyDangerous (Post 1176030)
Thanks or the advise. I did message a toronto rep so we'll see if i hear back..

It's very likely you will. It might take a wee bit, as everyone here does have a life aside from airsoft, but patience is a virtue. And if he doesn't message you back, i believe there are at least a few other AVers in the toronto area.

BobbyDangerous March 1st, 2010 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conker (Post 1176021)
It has not. This is not the spirit most airsofters share.

There is no -at least, not in Canada, to my knowledge- airsoft competitions, per se (there is CAPS, but it's much, much different than competitive speedball/paintball). 99% of the airsofters play for fun and a lot also do for realism, but not competitive cheating.

PS: R.I.T.Z the copypasting machine was here! :D


I used to paintball back in 2000 but stopped. My bro and i got some cheap guns from crappy tire i think they were hk5's lol. was messin around with them ad it was fun, accept when i got ambushed and peppered by my bro.. lol

Conker March 1st, 2010 12:32

Guys, all of you repeated the same fucking thing that RITZ said. Spoonfeeding for newcomers, right, but no need to repeat that 13 times in a row.

BobbyDangerous March 1st, 2010 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danneichh (Post 1176033)
It's very likely you will. It might take a wee bit, as everyone here does have a life aside from airsoft, but patience is a virtue. And if he doesn't message you back, i believe there are at least a few other AVers in the toronto area.

yeah i have been trying to get ahold of my buddy on Socom but the ps3 network has been down so i have no other way of getting in touch with him and he knows a bunch of people. I think he is on this forum but i don't know what his username is on here.

B.O.P.E. March 1st, 2010 12:34

first you should try showing up at any of the local games in Toronto eg.CQB see what people are using ask questions about the different brands and models we are quite helpful in giving info, ignore flamers and most important get AV'ed.

Danneichh March 1st, 2010 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conker (Post 1176036)
Guys, all of you repeated the same fucking thing that RITZ said. Spoonfeeding for newbies, right, but no need to repeat that 13 times in a row.

As a matter of fact, when I typed my first response, No one other than the T.C. had posted. By the time I was done and had posted my message, R.I.T.Z. had managed to post his message. So, in a way, we're all tied for when we posted. :D

TokyoSeven March 1st, 2010 12:35

Soo....much...information to impart.....so retardedly hung over...

To the original poster, you are correct; I am going to recommend that you surf the internet more, however its also in your best interest. Gun reviews can be found all over the internet, regardless which search engine you use, a different combination of search words can yield different searches. Let me keep it short and sweet, for the bulk of it, AEGS are simple motors that drive pistons that compress a spring to expel air to propel a BB down a barrel. How you want that set up to look is up to you. There are many brands of companies out there that make airsoft guns, how much you pay will relevant to the quality you receive. I do agree with you, not being able to actually physically hold and inspect something you wish to buy is a crappy deal. However if you can invest the time and find a local game to head out to, I am sure the local players would be more than willing to let you inspect their airsoft guns if you were kind enough to ask.

There are a few small shops that would be with in reasonable driving distance in your region, however I do not know their stock or the names of these shops as I am not from your region.

This website has a process called age verification, where if you are 18 or older you can meet with a volunteer representative of this website who will meet with you in person, there is no way around this, no phone, no web cam, in person only, where they will require to see a legitimate piece of photo identification. After the process is completed, it can take sometime as this is all volunteer work, you will be granted access to this websites buy and sell section, where you can find both new and used guns as well as parts, for fair and competitive prices. Although it’s not always the case, it is sort of an open market. However age verification is only required to purchase from ASC buy and sell and any of its retailers. If you are not interested in age verification then that is perfectly fine, their are retailers that exist in Canada that do not require age verification to purchase from.

BobbyDangerous March 1st, 2010 12:41

Thanx for all the input from everyone.. Much appreciated..

Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw March 1st, 2010 13:09

Before you go buying a gun, its best to try and figure out what role you would like to play. Best way to figure this out is to head out to games (as has been said, the Events section of Ontario is always lively) inquire about rentals and go from there. Once you have some hands on experience with the sport and the guns used you will be able to make a much more educated judgement. But even if the gun you get you don't like you can always sell it off and get another.

That being said, be prepared to spend quite of a bit of cash to get all the things you need to start. Try and aim for about $600, this includes the gun itself, batteries, mags, charger, eye protection, boots and gear to carry everything you need. Then comes things like BDUs (camo), optics, upgrades and other secondary items. Best advice you can get is this: don't cheap out. The saying "you get what you pay for" can not be truer anywhere else but airsoft. When looking at things like guns, you will always find stuff that are cheap and things that are expensive. Keep in mind theres usually a good reason why they have the price they do. When you buy a cheap gun, you will end up paying the value of the gun in repairs/upgrades, and sometimes more than the gun is worth. Same goes for almost anything. The most important piece of kit you will get is eye protection. DO NOT JOKE AROUND ABOUT THIS! You only have one set of eyes (unless you live near the Pickering Nuclear Plant) so make sure you get a good quality set of goggles. Keep in mind what fields allow what eye protection too. For example: certain paintball fields ONLY allow paintball rated goggles. Even if you show up with a pair of ESS goggles which some fields allow and can withstand a 12 gauge shotgun blast, they will not allow you on the field with them because of their insurance policy.

Before I leave, I will also advise you to read ALL of the stickies and information. They contain a wealth of knowledge that will overwhelm you at first, but take it one step at a time. If you have a question, chances are its already been answered in the stickies or elsewhere which can all be found by the search bar at the top. When you have a question, use the search bar and see if its been answered. Try more than once, if you still cant find the answer then by all means make a new thread here in the Tank. We just sometimes get a little tired answering the same questions over and over, especially after we have told the user to do their own research. Some people may come off as harsh but just take it with a grain of salt, and carry on.

Other than that, look forward to seeing you on the field!

Deaf_shooter March 1st, 2010 13:25

I think Toronto has CQB arena. you need to ask someone in toronto for confirm

BobbyDangerous March 1st, 2010 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw (Post 1176069)
Before you go buying a gun, its best to try and figure out what role you would like to play. Best way to figure this out is to head out to games (as has been said, the Events section of Ontario is always lively) inquire about rentals and go from there. Once you have some hands on experience with the sport and the guns used you will be able to make a much more educated judgement. But even if the gun you get you don't like you can always sell it off and get another.

That being said, be prepared to spend quite of a bit of cash to get all the things you need to start. Try and aim for about $600, this includes the gun itself, batteries, mags, charger, eye protection, boots and gear to carry everything you need. Then comes things like BDUs (camo), optics, upgrades and other secondary items. Best advice you can get is this: don't cheap out. The saying "you get what you pay for" can not be truer anywhere else but airsoft. When looking at things like guns, you will always find stuff that are cheap and things that are expensive. Keep in mind theres usually a good reason why they have the price they do. When you buy a cheap gun, you will end up paying the value of the gun in repairs/upgrades, and sometimes more than the gun is worth. Same goes for almost anything. The most important piece of kit you will get is eye protection. DO NOT JOKE AROUND ABOUT THIS! You only have one set of eyes (unless you live near the Pickering Nuclear Plant) so make sure you get a good quality set of goggles. Keep in mind what fields allow what eye protection too. For example: certain paintball fields ONLY allow paintball rated goggles. Even if you show up with a pair of ESS goggles which some fields allow and can withstand a 12 gauge shotgun blast, they will not allow you on the field with them because of their insurance policy.

Before I leave, I will also advise you to read ALL of the stickies and information. They contain a wealth of knowledge that will overwhelm you at first, but take it one step at a time. If you have a question, chances are its already been answered in the stickies or elsewhere which can all be found by the search bar at the top. When you have a question, use the search bar and see if its been answered. Try more than once, if you still cant find the answer then by all means make a new thread here in the Tank. We just sometimes get a little tired answering the same questions over and over, especially after we have told the user to do their own research. Some people may come off as harsh but just take it with a grain of salt, and carry on.

Other than that, look forward to seeing you on the field!

I have already picked out the gun i like. The G&G M4 commando seems cool. watched a youtube vid on it and i like how it is set up ready to customize just that issue the guy said about the battery in the gun but stock but i can deal with that i'm pretty practical.. Tactical gear is easy to get as i live a stones throw from yonge st right by the army surplus there. Goggles was already on my list my vision is important so i understand that for sure.. firist thing is first though and thats the rifle which i think i am going to order tomorrow and hopeully be ready to play at the end of the month.. I really appreciate the help i have gotten so far. Thanx guys..

Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw March 1st, 2010 18:53

Like I said, its advisable to wait ordering a gun. At least until you get AV'ed as then you will have a MUCH wider selection. For example, if you were buying a car then you would look in the newspaper without knowing of other options. Getting your AV status updated then its akin to finding out that you can look at a wider array of cars via the Internet. The G&G M4 is a decent rifle but does have some compression problems, and it comes with an ugly assed transparent receiver. Again this is merely my opinion (which Im sure many others feel the same way) and if your into the M4, there are other options like TM, CA, G&P which will cost a little more but you def. get more for your money that way. In the end its your decision and just hoping to shed some more light on yer situation.

Cheers dude!

BobbyDangerous March 1st, 2010 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw (Post 1176408)
Like I said, its advisable to wait ordering a gun. At least until you get AV'ed as then you will have a MUCH wider selection. For example, if you were buying a car then you would look in the newspaper without knowing of other options. Getting your AV status updated then its akin to finding out that you can look at a wider array of cars via the Internet. The G&G M4 is a decent rifle but does have some compression problems, and it comes with an ugly assed transparent receiver. Again this is merely my opinion (which Im sure many others feel the same way) and if your into the M4, there are other options like TM, CA, G&P which will cost a little more but you def. get more for your money that way. In the end its your decision and just hoping to shed some more light on yer situation.

Cheers dude!

I think you got the gun i picked confused. I picked the commando..

https://www.buyairsoft.ca/gandg-m4-commando.html

Pretty raw and easy to customize...

KNIVEZS March 1st, 2010 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyDangerous (Post 1176602)
I think you got the gun i picked confused. I picked the commando..

https://www.buyairsoft.ca/gandg-m4-commando.html

Pretty raw and easy to customize...

that gun has a semi clear/ tinted plastic reciever (Tinted Polymer Composite Lower Receiver) it's crap compared to G&P,CA,VFC....
you should wait until you get age verified

BobbyDangerous March 2nd, 2010 05:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by KNIVEZS (Post 1176627)
that gun has a semi clear/ tinted plastic reciever (Tinted Polymer Composite Lower Receiver) it's crap compared to G&P,CA,VFC....
you should wait until you get age verified



Metal Upper Receiver with Tinted Polymer Composite Lower Receiver.


Not a big deal. All of the receivers that are solid and metal are non civilian. Might not seem that big of a deal but getting caught with a rifle that is registered non civilian has a heavy price to pay. You can say good bye to traveling and that puts a flag up for CSIS not to mention you will have your rifle taken away from you and prob will no longer be allowed to even own a cap gun and you could serve time.. Just saying..

Kokanee March 2nd, 2010 06:15

Another reason to hold off on purchasing a gun is to see if you're really into the sport. I introduced three people to airsoft last year; two of them bought guns and gear before their first game and now it all sits on a shelf gathering dust as one fellow played a single game, the other never made it out even one time.

Rentals are available at most places, and getting out a few times before making any decision will let you see what's out there - you may see something you'd much rather have than the AEG you are currently eying.

BobbyDangerous March 2nd, 2010 06:30

i'll be into it. I was heavy into paintball but didn't continue cause i found it to be a lot more costly. Paint and Co2 is pricey after awhile. I like the whole airsoft thing a lot more, i get what you are saying but i am sure i am going to be pretty into it.. I mean i'm sure i will be the noob and all and it will be a bit before i get into the local community aspect of it all meaning getting to know people but i'm sure i will have some fun. I really am appreciative of all the advise that was given from everyone but when i have my heart set it is set lol. The gun will be ok as i am sure it is totally customizable and i will be able to tweak it out the way i want it.. I'm not new to guns or anything in general just playing the sport i am..

Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw March 2nd, 2010 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyDangerous (Post 1176810)
Metal Upper Receiver with Tinted Polymer Composite Lower Receiver.


Not a big deal. All of the receivers that are solid and metal are non civilian. Might not seem that big of a deal but getting caught with a rifle that is registered non civilian has a heavy price to pay. You can say good bye to traveling and that puts a flag up for CSIS not to mention you will have your rifle taken away from you and prob will no longer be allowed to even own a cap gun and you could serve time.. Just saying..

It does seem that you have bought a little too much into someones marketing scheme. I suggest you do a little bit more reading on the laws surrounding airsoft. I personally have never dealt with police and black/metal guns, but plenty of people here have and their as good as can be in the laws eyes. It all depends on a few things. Dont ever carry these around in public, opaque or clear it doesnt matter. How you conduct yourself with the police about this, if its explained in very calm and educated manner then you will have nothing to worry about. The most important thing is to make sure no one sees it that shouldn't see it (eg: neighbors, general public, etc...) Carry them around in gun bags/cases, guitar cases, ski bags, something that doesnt scream GUNGUNGUNGUN to the soccer moms.

A good majority of the players here all use full black full metal guns and none of us are heading for jail or restricted in our travels because of our airsoft guns.

Sha Do March 2nd, 2010 10:19

PM inbound.

SHA DO

Jimski March 2nd, 2010 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kokanee (Post 1176818)
I introduced three people to airsoft last year; two of them bought guns and gear before their first game and now it all sits on a shelf gathering dust as one fellow played a single game, the other never made it out even one time.

funny hey?
I once kept spare gear and guns for the friend who would be interested to come, I don't anymore...

L473ncy March 2nd, 2010 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyDangerous (Post 1176810)
Metal Upper Receiver with Tinted Polymer Composite Lower Receiver.


Not a big deal. All of the receivers that are solid and metal are non civilian. Might not seem that big of a deal but getting caught with a rifle that is registered non civilian has a heavy price to pay. You can say good bye to traveling and that puts a flag up for CSIS not to mention you will have your rifle taken away from you and prob will no longer be allowed to even own a cap gun and you could serve time.. Just saying..

Theres people who work for the police who play with the "oh so scary black metal guns". We have practically everyone from every walk of life, from university students to tradespeople, to lawyers and engineers, businessmen, IT/CS personnel, Police, Canadian Forces, hell I wouldn't be surprised if there were people who play that were in CSIS or CSOR or something like that. Just don't be stupid and you'll be fine.

Sha Do March 2nd, 2010 10:34

L473ncy is correct in his statement above...except for the CSIS guys and RCMP are instructed to get out of the sport because "it's behavior unbecoming an officer".

My team allows access to many extras that are available for new players to borrow for their first couple of games. This is because we have come across too many new players who have gone out and spent a fair amount of money on guns and kit that they thought they'd like, but shortly realize it's not what works for them. Some players like the look of ARs, but eventually turn to the AKs (why, Idont have the foggiest).

I always bring a back up AEG (and pistol), spare mags, and an extra carrier rig with pouches. But if a new player is lucky, my brother has sometimes loaned out his spare PTW to new guys........

Some of our guys have an insane amount of AEGs in their collections, some have extra kit laying around (It helps when 5 of the team members has been playing for over 12 years). So it's never been an issue. Besides, it clears the dust of some of the older stuff.

We don't mind, it helps out the new guys in our community.
SHA DO


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