WE SCAR-L Cansoft!
 

Hi,

Some time ago, I've received these pictures of the cansoft version of the WE SCAR-L GBB in its cansoft prototype version.

I've since been authorized by the sender to share them, to here they are!

Note: I share them since the sender authorized me, but if any canadian retailer has anything to do with this, send me a PM and I'll remove them ASAP.

Don't have too much wet dreams, according to the sender:
Can't wait to get more info on this (IE: MSRP and retailer/distributor).

sweet deal, heres to hoping a retailer orders them soon lol

THat claer lower looks like ass on that gun. Hopefully though these will be decent prices.

And of course there will still be a 100-200% markup :rolleyes:

Exactly what I was thinking. Probably more because of the GBB "cool" factor. :rolleyes:

I thought we all discussed that the serial number was on the upper receiver for the SCAR.

LoL we'll just have to see how CBSA takes it.

Whether CBSA has an issue with it has nothing to do with where the serial number is.

Yes it does..

Serial number = the "Firearm" which is the "replica" on the gun...

Any know what ball park of prices these going for?

Well, since the original model retails for $220 overseas, and cansoft guns are still marked up around the same as full black guns, I'm guessimating at least $500.

Only $300+ less than the full black ones =/

for $100 - $200 more you can get a full black G&G shipped to your door...

yeah the mark up on these is retarded, rather save a few more bucks and buy an all metal

we could at least tint the plastic a bit

this is all metal, the original lower for the SCAR is plastic.

And G&G is not gas blow back guys.

Dont go judging before getting the whole picture kids

G&G stuff is a turnoff.

+1

Oh, and for sure a retailer giving it a decent price would be loved. A lot :D
Can't wait to see how it goes.

The WE M4
 

rocks!!

if the scar is anything like it.. Ill finally break down and get a SCAR ... clear lower be damned.. nothing that a little paint can't fix

Issue of course is the FPS.. my WE m4 chonied at 538 fps last night..

Though they will run duster at about 340

I thought I read somewhere that WE will start making a regulator for the gas system, much like the Tanaka/KJW M700 system to adjust the FPS output over a 400+/- FPS range.

And yeah, this is one of the only "cansofts" Id consider getting, unless like I mentioned earlier the markup would still be outrageous. There is no reason for markup on cansofts other than for personal costs incurred and profit. If this sells for $220 overseas, I see no reason why this should be sold for more than $300, $350 max.

Shipping on a gun from Hong Kong to Canada is $80 minimum...

If somewhere like Redwolf or WGC would sell the clear bodies ones.... Sure.. but no one in Canada is going to bring in a gun and deal with customs hassle to make under $50 per gun.

Well I never claimed to be an expert or anything. As long as the markup is justified I see no problem.

The more retailers there will be, the lower the price will become...Accounting 101

I know :)

I just want to let people know that they're not "Getting ripped off"

The prices for the G&G cansoft is pretty much standard... If G&G would sell them directly we could save a bit of money.. but no one is ripping anyone off..

Not saying people are getting ripped off, for the most part at least. Just my opinion that a supposed "legal" AEG is still higher than their overseas counterparts, which defeats the purpose of it being "legal". Its mostly a wording thing that irks me, when retailers will try and hock those AEGs as "canadian legal" while still being marked up a bunch, much like their full black counter parts.

lets not forget, these are WE. its not like they are Inokatsu or anything.

Do want!!

I know, especially from experience. But I am keeping a close eye on these and so far, people have been very impressed even for the build quality. I'm giving it another 6 months before I'll put money down on 1 or not.

unless they're a cartel then you're screwed

The lower receiver being plastic, painting it back to it's original color will make it any good as a non clear receiver airsoft, wich is great (since you can't just turn plastic to metal in the other cansoft) ^^

I'm only seeing tan so far...I hope it comes in black also though I'm pretty sure thats a stupid question.

Yarr, +1 I don't care much for the tan.

IMO, what pisses me off is that we've consistantly been told by retailers the reason full black guns are expensive in Canada is because they're a bitch to import. Then these "completely legal to import" halfbreeds come along... and they're nearly as expensive. Looks a hell of a lot like "getting ripped off" from a consumer point of view.

Redwolf has a review up on WE SCAR

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?reviewID=235

man i cant wait.... but i will, the fear of pot metal has got me very wary of this product

"black" guns are not a bitch to import they are for the most part Illegal to import.

Even clear guns end up expensive because there is a tiny market in Canada so most retailers are buying at retail prices .. marking up and reselling.

Import tax is paid on these guns unlike smuggled "black guns"

well there's always the 407 fps in .22g rule or 430fps in .2g no one really used.
(All the contestant have below 370fps in .2g, and only 2 claims fps at 350 it could be fatal to the eye and thus no replica. Court went with supporting CBSA simply on the ground of 407 fps is what RCMP said)

Be I agree, the market is so small. I just hate the fact that the retailers use % markup instead of a fix rate for custom order. (which wouldve encourage people for higher end) Finally if anyone could convince an aftermarket peron to produce clear lowers for systema it would be great. Im only using systema because they're expensive already, the custom plastic reciever would only reduce the price (last time I've ask 2008 Max Systema costs ~$3k Supermax $3k+

Soo... why pay the extra 100-200$ just to get a full black/tan one when the CanSoft one is the same material... seriously i'd rather spend 10 bucks on a can of paint. but I guess I'm not a gun snob...

Will most likely be a bit more than 100-200 more for the non-Cansoft version.. More like 300-500 more

Although the over 407 fps is the letter of the law.. in practice CBSA will seize anything that they think could be a replica. You can appeal and request testing.. and you may get your gun in a year's time once they get around to testing it...Most people don't really want to wait a year to get their items.

CBSA refer to D-19 (memorendum) it's their law that's what they go by.

You can download it on their website.

Cansoft goods come with their own baggage of extra work and additional costs, although not the same as importing "black guns" there are still more costs to Canadian importers of these goods than the standard Hong Kong company. Don't forget that online prices can be deceiving as well as people will tend to over charge on shipping in order to be able to advertise lower prices.

So, not to change the topic off legalities for too long, any word on a release date or something?

I'm not saying the costs aren't there.. I'm just saying the reason we've been told black guns are expensive no longer exists, but the cost is nearly identical for halfbreeds. So my argument is, and has been since they first appeared, why bother? I can get any black gun I want with patience and $150-$200 more than halfbreeds... so I just don't see the point.

If they are Can-legal, why can't anyone just order one from a HK retailer, pay the shipping and tax and still save a hundred bucks?

Because there is a minimum order of something like 300.

well theres this thing goes no one fight for your rights and freedom, sooner or later it wont be free. Basically a retailer needs to import one and specifically want it seize with appeal (by actually declaring as airsoft with muzzle velocity) After a model wins, it wouldn't be hard to import many as one goes through legally the rest should, otherwise you could technically file a harassment complaint

Every import of every object is handled on a case by case basis.

To establish that a gun shoots over 407 it has to be tested by the RCMP firearms testing facility. It takes them about a year to get around to it.

you have no right to import replica firearms. the CCC clearly establishes that by law. However there is no law against importing unregulated firearms such as anything that fires a shot or projectile over 407 fps but below 5.7 joules muzzle energy.

But you have to be able to prove that the thing you want to import IS an unregulated firearm.. and that means it has to be tested.. they don't accept any documented evidence.

some people have had items seized as replicas and appealed based on the "capable of causing significant injury" clause .. Once tested and found to shoot over 407 fps but under 5.7 joules Muzzle energy their items were released having been proven to be "non replica" Unregulated firearms.

Can you give me the court appeal case Link? or the Number?
I havent seen this yet, the cause significant injurt clause I've seen was with a KSC USP firing 350fps. The appealler was saying it could cause eye injury, but still lost to CBSA since Federal follow the 407 w/ .22g or 430fps w/ .2g rule

hahaha mass import extremely hot guns and you will get them two years later. sounds like a plan!

Hows the cool down affect the rate of fire on the m4 doing a full clip on propane noticable. Realy liking these GBBR that are coming out now

Man
If Airsoft were Gundams, Cansoft would be its limited special edition...

Just a random thought.

Limited gay edition.

I guess, in the case of the SCAR where the lower is polycarb/plastic anyway, it may not make that much difference. In the case of a gun that actually is full metal, it makes a ton of difference. That doesn't make me a gun snob. I didn't get into this hobby to collect clear guns.

But as I said, my main argument is the pricing practices -not the gun.

My god...It's like a dream come true...

Court was not involved..and is not in most cases

The court is only involved in cases where import offences are committed by importers and the defense entered is +407

Most of those cases don't go well, as the issue is license infractions

The cases I know of are individuals who have items seized by CBSA and they appeal the seizure... CPSE then send the item to the RCMP to be tested .. and then release it after testing proves its a non replica , unregulated firearm.

So has anyone seen this gun in the Canadian version yet? And is it available for sale in country?

It is, 90% of the reseller are ripping you off. Once 'cansoft' start being mass produced left and right, you will see a drastic change in price.

The market is pretty monopolize, theirs a odd seller here and there with good prices but generally its not pretty.

Give it time and they will pop up more and more and prices will be cut by a lot ;)

Well, these have appeared and they are selling with a 100% markup of the street price for these, even factoring in $50-$80 shipping.

I would take one for $500 but $600 and the need to buy $50 30-round mags on top of that is aggravating when it should be legal to import and thus the double markup is hard to swallow on the basis of covering seized items.

This is the only Cansoft I would ever consider as the actual Scar also has a polymer lower so it wouldn't bug me so much. I'm just disappointed in the pricing.

Shock,

Sadly for the scars and also UMP series, it is the upper receiver that needs to be clear. That is why you haven't seen any body in Canada carrying the clear lower SCARs yet.

Ken

Ken,
CGA Retailer has them in stock.

oh yah eh? and the street price includes getting them to make a clear plastic lower body custom just for you too right?

and if it's so legal and easily accessible, just import one yourself then why don't you?

Not to mention, we took a big risk, knowing the the upper is the truly restricted part, but hey, sometimes the risk is worth it.

I work for a store, the store's owner did all the legwork in HK to make these guns possible and if it were left to him, they would cost alot more to make back his investment, but being a part of the community and knowing the value of things, including the cost of a full black/tan SCAR I settled on the price that it is today.

If you don't like the price, then don't buy, but don't talk shit out of your uninformed ass about my products or my business practices.

Sunil R.

I think the 100% markup is perfectly fine as these retailers do have to contend with brokers and customs carriers and as their fees pile up in the end it adds up to about 100%. what I don't agree is retailers like A&A who obviously starting to go apeshit on their prices marking them up like 300% above cost that is just greed, even in the days when we can get full black AEG/GBB guns mark up has always been no more than 20% the retailers such as DEA, APEC, Hotshots, SDUnit and AMC make their money from custom modifications, consumables and parts. Some of teh old Vets here in toronto probably still remember the days of AMC charging $60 for a bag of.25/2500 cnt bbs when the real cost of it shipped is only $12, I just think of the extra price I pay for a AEG/GBB as a payment for all the pain in the ass agency ie: Customs, Brokers, CP/UPS or Fedex that I don't have to deal with personally compared to if I were to bring this shit in myself. $50 for a mag ain't that bad you pay around the same for AEG mags, yes you can get it cheaper online but factor in the shipping the tax and the brokerage fees it will all add up oh as Pus said it later on you don't have to pay rent on the stores retailers does.

Pus, chill out man you're gonna get a frickin heart attack soon.

lol I know eh, sometimes I think it's better when I'm banned, my blood pressure goes back down to normal levels :D

also,
add rental fees for a retail location to sell out of to the other charges that you listed as well.

That's cool Pusangani, I realize that you have to pay for your shop across the street from Pacific Mall (too bad I didn't come out to Markham when I was in Toronto this summer). Anybody else but you carry these that doesn't have to support a physical store? :cool:

I'm very interested in a Cansoft Scar and maybe 5 extra mags (yikes, that's still only 150 rounds!) but after shipping that'll end up over $1000 when the Scar's street price is only about $200-$250 USD in Hong Kong or the States.

Thanks for carrying them anyway.

Where are you buying your AEG mags? Because you're getting ripped off...

You can get AEG mags from overseas, after shipping and tax, for about $10-$20 a mag depending on brand.

Hahaha ... you will eventually reach a point where you don't give a shit anymore, especially with all the n00bs nowadays - just go on ASC just to check your inbox or modify your threads and let that be the end of it, saves you trouble.

any chance that a 50rnd mag would be available in the future for the we gbbr?

I think they're talking specifically about GBBR mags being ~$50

What's the best and cheapest place for WE M4 mags anyway?

The whole world know you can get mags cheap overseas what I meant was instore they are usually around that price for teh reasons I stated, even if you can get mags at $10-$15 each (which I do) by the time you factor in the duties, time lost sitting in customs etc. I might as well get it at a store where i can just go in pay the piper and leave and enjoy my shit while some of us are still waiting for items to clear customs. How many times have you wound up buying a mag or whatever parts in the classified or existing retailer because the shit you ordered is gatherng dust waiting for CBSA to clear??, last time I checked those bastard still have my PTW mags from last year and it just cleared like two months ago and I don't even owned a PTW anymore.

Never.

Not that I've never bought from Canadian retailers at all (I've made a few purchases from Duy at AirsoftParts.ca etc).

Well you guys in Saskatoon must be a special bunch because here in Ontario especially Toronto our CBSA love us so much that anything resembles a firearm gets flagged and this started way before they have a clue to what airsoft is and before this forum exist (I'm talking the times of airsoftzone and Xring for those who just tuned in)

buying from Duy is awesome, go in pay and within hours i'm on the field, can get stuff cheaper, sure why not?, but why go through all the hassles when some one else has already done it? and all you have to do is pay a bit more, see my the point?

I've heard they are stricter at the Windsor Border crossing or the various ones between the US and Ontario but that may be an airsoft myth.

Out here, I've seen people getting entire guns in but that's the CBSA's problem and not recommended. It's the wild wild west!

hahahahaha

Question -- Does Krylon make a color that is close to the tan lower on the non-cansoft version?

Answer -- No, it doesn't. The closest one is the Tamiya model color or the Duracoat paint or spend another 140 $ get color lower body from the retailer who you buy the gun from.