AK47 metal body - G&P or Cyma?
 

I have a Kraken that I'm looking to buy a metal body for. I have a line on both a G&P and a Cyma. if cost isn't a consideration what's the better buy? I know the Cyma comes with a metal front set which I don't think the G&P does (?). Also the Cyma has the stock tabs right on the body. I'd heard that G&P uses slot in tabs (though the person I'd heard this from wasn't sure, can anyone confirm?). G&P is the better name but the Kraken is a Cyma rebrand so the Kraken mech box would probably fit better in the Cyma. Would anyone with experence in this area and with these products care to comment?

Thanks,
Kuro_Neko

I like G&P better.

Umm... Could you be alittle more specific? I'm looking for specific pros and cons.

Thanks,
Kuro_Neko

G&P will be made to a MUCH higher standard than Cyma, both in materials and construction process.

Cyma is mid-grade and G&P is top grade.

Thanks for the response Amos, a few clarifying questions if you don't mind?

Does G&P come with a front set (I think that's what it's called, I think I've also heard it referred to as the gas block)? If it doesn't come with it, do they manufacture them seperately?

Does G&P have the stock tabs part of the body or are they slot in ones like the original Kraken body?

How do you think the compatibility would be between the Kraken's Cyma gearbox and the G&P body?

Thanks,
Kuro_Neko

I can't say about the stock tangs and such, but you should have no problems fitting any AK gearbox, regardless of brand, in a G&P body. I wouldn't worry about compatibility issues at all.

Ok, thanks. That answers that question.

Is there anyone that can comment on the stock tangs or the metal front set?

Thanks,
Kuro_Neko

I think the first thing you need to watch out for right now is not the quality of the metal, but the fitment compatibility. It doesn't matter how good the quality is, if you can't use it.

Well, Crunchmeister said compatibility wouldn't be a problem. Do you have any experience that contradicts that statement?

Thanks,
Kuro_Neko

the Cyma does have the stock tabs integrated into the body, very sturdy IMO

the G&P will require the rear stock trunnion that came with your kraken

the Cyma bodies, do come with a metal rear sight block, however it really depends on the seller as some sell them seperately and others include it.

I've yet to hear of any issues fitting a standard AK gearbox into a G&P receiver... G&P are some of the better and less problematic AK receivers on the mainstream market. I'd trust that for compatibility and quality over a CYMA any day.

Do you know if G&P manufactures rear sight blocks? And can you (or anyone else) comment on integrated stock tabs verses stock trunnions?

I'm inclined towards the Cyma for the integrated stock tabs and the metal front set and the fact that Cyma makes the internals as well. It's just I have one of those now and I managed to accidentally do a fair bit of damage to it while installing it. Admittedly I was being an idiot, and I'm totally mechanically inept but still pieces of metal should break off that easily. While I could probably continue to use the one I have, I'm a bit of a perfectionist (also it's a huge reminder of how much of an idiot I was while installing it) so I want to replace it. Thus this thread is born. Thank you to everyone who has responded so far.

Edit: I'd love to hear from someone who has personal experience in using a G&P metal body on a Kraken. I know the Cyma one fits (more or less) but I don't really know about the G&P and like Skladfin said, quality isn't going to do me jack if I can't assemble it.

Thanks,
Kuro_Neko

Im Using G&P AK47 Metal body. Its a SOLID body, and came with rear stock tangs, top cover, and front trunnion. As for what comes with the body, it REALLY depends on which AK Package u buy from G&P. They have about 10+ different packages with different varients in parts. Some come with the front trunnion and top cover, some dont. Simple matter of the fact is, You have a Kraken. The reality is that the metal body will cost you more than the whole kraken did and quite frankly, its like putting a PTW body on a Jing Gong M4... Whats the point. If you REALLY want quality. Youd do something about the base of the gun. It doesnt matter how pretty it is, if the damn thing cant shoot straight up to 10 meters without breaking down.

G&P does make a metal rear sight block, and in some packages (as DarkAngel said) it does come with the body, however G&P is alot more in terms of price compared to the Cyma, I would suggest getting the Cyma, as it's more cost effective.

yep, moral of the story is. Dont spend more money on the externals than you did your whole gun. Get a Cyma, krakens arnt worth putting G&P on lol

Ok, I think I've gotten what I needed. Thank you to everyone who replied. Anyone else who comes in please feel free to leave any comments you wish. More info is always welcome.

Thanks,
Kuro_Neko

All the G&P I've seen does have the stock tabs integrated into the body.
http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload...mg/gp430-l.jpg

Quality wise, not sure on what kind of metal CYMA and G&P use, or even if they use different kind of metal at all, since both bodies weight and feel pretty much the same (G&P has a slightly better texture), unlike the Element body which weights about half as much, and feels very fragile, like it will break anytime.

doesnt surprise me, ive heard people say on the boards b4 that their element bodies DID break on them.

Element bodies are made of aluminum alloy. Don't know what G&P bodies are made of.

Sorry yes, you're right was thinking of another brand, Element uses really light metal compared to the Cyma's I've had both and I'd definitely say the Cyma is better than the Element

Element bodies tend to break nere the front where the rear sight block connects to it, this usually happens due to the use of ICS bolts, the slamming of the bolt will cause this to happen alot of the time.

Element 74 bodies have serious fit issues, both with their own 74 top cover as well as with the gearboxes, the Element 47 bodies are usually good for fit and I've never had a problem with the top cover fitting.

I never said either was better now did I :)

I have a G&P metal body and front set on my upgraded TM AK47. The body has the stock tangs molded on the rear of the body. It is made of aluminum and heavy and solid. It has a nice flat black finish.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9...d102406ra6.jpg

Edited

So, just to clarify, Cyma metal bodies do or do not have the rear stock tabs integrated into the body?

Can anyone with a Cyma AKM comment on the rear stock tabs?

Thanks.

All CYMA AK receivers I've handled have removable rear stock tangs.

I own a CYMA AKM, it uses a different (and correct) AKM near stock tang than the CM.028/Kraken. Stock tangs on either receiver can be removed. The tangs on the AKM are solid, but a part of the receiver's front trunnion broke off during shipping. That said, the receiver is of decent quality and isn't completely brittle but it would probably break if you're excessively rough with it.

As mentioned before, the G&P metal receiver is of high quality and is recommended. I would also recommend the King Arms receiver as that too is a very high quality receiver.