Noob Milsim Gear
 

Hello! I am just starting airsoft and want to play milsim. (eg op iceback) and I was seeing what you guys would think about my starting loadout before I buy it! any suggestions are welcome!

ACM MOLLIE CIRAS OR ACM CHEST RIG WITH 6 MAG POUCHES
6 CYMA MIDCAP MAGS IN VEST 1 IN GUN
G&G CM16 MOD 0
FORGRIP
GUN MOUNTED LIGHT
SPEED LOADER
EOTECH 552 REPLICA
KJW KPO1 (P226)
2X PISTOL MAGS
ACM DROP LEG
ACM 1 POINT SLING
DUMP POUCH
GOOD BOOTS
GOOD EYE PRO

THANKS

Take all of the money allocated towards gun accessories, and put it towards water carriage, more water carriage, a day pack, basic rain gear, a small first aid kit, electrolye tablets, and better boots than the ones you planned to buy.

If you really want to do "milsim", you're going to be doing a lot more hiking and lying down than you are door-kicking. You can't flashlight your way out of dehydration - aggravated hypothermia.


Edit: Forget the dump pouch too. Much better to get used to properly cycling your mags on a rig. Dump pouches are loud, clunky, snag on things, and throw the balance of your belt line off.
They're a fine solution for cqb or skirmish games, but they're a real drag after hour six and encourage laziness.

Uhhhh slow your roll there.

I'm soooo sure its a great idea for a newb to jump strait into a milsim event. I'm sure your teammates will love having you on board.

How about getting some gear together and playing an gaining experince and figuring out what works for oyu or not...rahter then getting a bunch of shit together and being miserable.

That would be like me deciding im going to go to SAIL and buy a bunch of mountain climbing equipment and going to climb mount Everest. Doesn't sound safe or smart.

And as Cliff said... you are basically going on a hiking/camping trip with a gun to occasionally pew at people. You need to invest alot in QUALITY boots, bags, hydration, medical, rain/outer wear, and the like.

Also having a ton of fancy gizmos on your gun only makes it heavier. And after 18 hours of lifting and aiming it your arm is going to get tired.

I guess I am not a total nood for multiple reasons

I have played airsoft with rental guns before
I have played paintball for 3 plus years (some milsim like events)
and I have been doing real steal for about 5 years as well as hiking.

I also tried a couple vests and I do like the mag pouchs to be intergrated it makes everything nice and fast

i already have the boots...very good boots

AND the only reason i want i light is because a lot of ops require one

Paintball doesn't translate very well into airsoft. I have done paintball for 21 years including 24 hour games..they are NOT the same thing as a true airsoft milsim. Get rid of that mentality right now.
Practice practice practice and more practice. Build a kit, play it out and see what works and what doesn't. I have played skirmish airsoft for 5 years now and know I do not have a milsim ready kit.

I would suggest you play some full day skirmishes and go from there.
I don't know. Not a pro so take it or leave it.

I agree with Chaz. I played both paintball and airsoft. Both are completely different.

If you are on a budget. Forget the optics, and pistol. If you want to do Milsim, get a good vest, hydration, get a better rifle and better mags. Try to buy once if you can. You can always add a pistol later.

I run only iron sights, but do use a red dot for indoor games.

Milsim is a mindset, not a kit list.

That being said, buying a whole bunch of repro shit will just get you killed faster when the big kids come out at night, repro gear tends to do lots of funny shit under NVGs.

Go by a surplus store and look for the stuff they sell for cheap, used issued gear from the US is usually half the price of new reproduction gear, works better, looks better, smells awesome.

All you need to "milsim" is the right colur bdu, a hat, shoes (hiking shoes, boots, etc), a small backpack with lunch and 6L of water, a light chest rig, 5 low caps, a gun and the right fucking attitude. You will run light, you will stay hydrated, eat well, and if you're super cool you might even kill a guy. EDIT; Eyepro is important. Outdoors most people use ballistic glasses. Buy real, buy once.

But most importantly, with the right fucking attitude, you'll be a key element to your team which your command will enjoy having around. Without it, people won't like you, and that's what really counts.

So heed our advice, or don't, I couldn't care less. It'll just be another dickhead at the milsim game dressed to the tits and gasping for breath after 2 hours. There are plenty of them.

so basically don't buy anything that i stated and just get the basics?

Your the dude who wants to spend $1600 at Toronto Airsoft, I highly recommend NOT doing that.

Start small and build up. Next year I'll probably be ready to hit a 24 hour game, so that's 2+ years of playing, learning and acquiring the right gear to be an asset in that scenario.

Nothing wrong with pacing yourself and your wallet, if you bite off more than you can chew you won't enjoy yourself.

I would rather have a quality VFC or G&P M4 with iron sights, than buy a cheap G&G so that I could dress it up with a fake Eotech and a cheap flashlight, and lousy feeding magazines just to build up the kit.

Get a good rifle now and add the upgrades later. That is what I meant by basics.

For 1600 you can get a used ptw, 4 mags, cylinders, batteries, bdu, boots, and eyewear... i know because that was my budget this year...

@reddot that's an order for 3 people.. not for just myself.... and @superhog I am putting my surefire fury 1000 from one of my firearms on the airsoft gun so I wouldn't say it was cheap. also I was going to get the G&G combat machine to practice with and train with then I was going to get a vfc down the road and make my G&G my backup....

my budget is 800-1000. I have good boots what would you recommend me getting

Thanks for all the help, I really do appreciate it

Buy used. You'll save 25-60%. People sell their gear end of the season and buy over the winter for the next season. Lots of guns sell for $200-500 with 5-10 mags and batteries. People getting out of airsoft are more likely to do deals, people looking for something new are more willing to trade, and people without access to the AV section of ASC tend to go on craigslist and get stabbed. JK.

the closest age verifier is a solid 6 hours from me

If you fill out your location, we may be able to help. If you are looking to get into milsim, there are AV reps at most games.

I honestly don't know about milsim, kind of discouraged. I may just try and find a cqb field or just skirmish's for now. we will see

I have a Surefire on my G&P. Good quality light.

You should go for the VFC now. Forget the G&G

my friends going to take me to a milsim and i will see what i want for gear from that

Lots of scenario games that get played on a weekend can be pretty equivalent to a scenario paintball game. When we say "Milsim", we mean "weather-enhanced boredom".
The kit you listed covers all the beats you need to hit if you can access your car a few times throughout an event, but none of the ones you need if you'll be sleeping uncovered on the ground for a total of 6-8 hours over 48. That's why you got dogpiled.
Don't forget to pack extra extra batteries, and another extra for the guy who didn't bring enough!

i guess i dont want to "milsim" then. i just want an objective based game that has military tactics and squads. that lasts a couple days..as where i could camp in a tent etc like op iceback. my dream game is op lionclaws or op faded giant stuff like that

IMO, either make sure you're primary is reliable as well have at least basic knowledge of how it operates in case you'd need in-field repairs, and/or have a back up weapon. It really sucks to break the gun within first engagement on a long operation (happened to me, luckily my Glock was there).

As far as I am concerned, there are no games of such kind that are NOT MILSIM, however, could be wrong. I'm with the other guys here: get a kit first, play around with it, then start building for a MILSIM. Throughout the process, you'll see what works and what doesn't, and what needs to be added. Just my $0.5.

PracticalTactical,

I'm pretty sure you are a smart guy. With real steel, betcha you don't buy junk and maybe you even reload with a Dillon and not a RCBS.

With airsoft, forget wasting money on a second "cheapo" back up rifle. That money can be put into a pistol or upgrade parts into your primary.

OK so scratch off most of your list.

Leave on the boots and eye pro.

Load up for a drive to Calgary or Edmonton or Red Deer for a shopping spree at airsoft stores and tac gear stores combined with a face to face with to get age verified at one of the spots.

Even if you don't buy and just nail your sizing it'll pay off in the long run. Consider also getting vetted for one of the AB forums too.

If you're getting a pistol get a secure hard shell holster, probably a RS one. The number of mags and whole pistols lost from sloppy soft holsters is unacceptable. Even with a hard holster consider a pistol lanyard.

If you're going AEG go LiPo or LiFe on the battery and get a proper charger.

Spend some time with the locals. If they're all in MC or woodland and you show up in an off spec pattern you'll be the guy who gets seen and shot first.

Think about how you'll carry water and other supplies on the field. Think about a radio. Think about a case for your rifle and pistol for transport.

When your verification tag goes live you'll see other used items on here for sale and you can find great deals on gear that doesn't wear out like charges or load bearing rigs.

There should be a rule that any and all posts about milsim need to open with that sentence. (and obviously follow through in the post)

how about you play some more and find out what gear you are constantly finding you need to have with you so you can accommodate for it?

How "MILSIM" are you going? Are you going to casual combatsim that boils the experience down to squad cohesive force on force, or do you want to hump through the bush for 36 hours and not see another soul or shoot your gun at someone but be shot at constantly?

most milsim games in canada don't require you to pack in all the shit you will use plus overnight gear and rain gear.

I find it interesting that you list "GOOD eyepro" as a need... so you don't need that same level of quality eye pro for a casual skrim day? you need GOOD eye pro period. Same goes with footwear.

If you're throwing this kind of list together in such a fashion, you're showing you have very little play experience. You should know what you need to play at the basic 8 hour game level. 12-18-24 hour games scale from there.

Play more... figure out what you have, what you need, then go and get it. Play more.... figure out if you bought the right thing or not. Analyze your situation and decide if you need something or not, at a certain level of quality or not.

I see lots of guys who just went out and dropped 2k on a bunch of shit that show up at a field, they get shot the fuck up cause they don't know how to play and they bought all this crap they don't need to be carrying with them, that goes from skirm days to milsim days equally. These guys gas out halfway through the game because they're overloaded, overheating and getting lit up every time they step out of a safe zone cause they can't move for shit.

Amount of shit you want to hump with you depends on the game, how far will you be operating from a point where you can safely leave gear to eat, reload, hydrate, etc? How often can you access that point? Every game is different, and most experienced players will tell you the kit they bring is generally tailored to the style and duration of the event.

If you're asking what you need to get started in the hobby, then you compiled the wrong list and asked the wrong question. lol.

Okay, I understand. thanks for all the help! I will take your advice

Just based on that response, I can see that you'll do well.

I am hoping to be an asset to my team! and I love learning so I will play and see what I need don't need and hopefully I will be ready by next august for op iceback! but who knows!