What are the TOP brands of GBBr's?
 

Hey ASC! :wassup:

After many many years of running around shooting a sewing machine :hammer: it's time to down a more realistic road. :D Gas rifles.

So which brand is leading the charge for best GBBr, or something that could be upgraded to beat it's stock counterpart?

Your thoughts on these. Or anything constructive..:confused:



-Viper Tech? $1100 USD .. Never heard of this till the other day,

-Inokatsu - $1050

-KWA Lm4 PTR - I've seen many youtube reviews on this looks promising with some upgrade potential internally.. and priced around $600 CDN


The airsoft world always amazes me..


Thanks!

Links :

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...e_MOD1_GBB.htm

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...ER_VERSION.htm

Don't bother with INO.

Just go straight ViperTech if you want the best. This bad boy is crazy sexy awesome. I've shot and held the MK18 and the SR16 both were imported and sold for $1200-1400 for the MK18 and $1600-1700 for the SR16. They are the "PTW" of the GBBR sector, and they also cost similar if not more then the real steel AR-15 counterpart, lol.

I wouldn't consider the KWA LM4 to be "Top" but median, however I'd recommend you just go for a WE at that point. I say this because of all the aftermarket parts available in country and the magazines can be used in their other line of products.

Only downsides are the magazines on the LM4 and the ViperTech are hella expensive, and heavy as hell. The WE however, is pretty light compared to them!

Good luck.

Viper Tech is the supposed god of gas systems. Very pricey, but very reliable. Not highly available in country rifle or parts wise, and mags aren't cheap or readily available either. It can be done, but you'll have to hunt.

Inokatsu I don't know much about unfortunately. Never had any experience with them.

KWA LM4 and the PTS MKM are basically the same system with the LM4 having revisions made to its most recent Gen as these were updates added jnto the MKM. Again, both basically the same platform, the MKM is just prettier. Supposed to be very robust systems with the older Gen stuff being a bit finicky, and the newest Gen supposedly being bang on the money right out of the box. The problem is that KWA parts are not as widely available as they should be given the prevalence of KWA products on the market.

WE Tech has come a long way in the past year. Their product quality and variety seems to have gotten a boost, and there are many more aftermarket parts available for decent pricing. It's a good versatile platform. It's less expensive for stock guns, but doing the minor upgrades most do to get the system where they want you pay around the same as a stock LM4/MKM. For what you get price wise it's still a great option, just something to keep in mind. I do find however that WE rifles work best using just a few upgrades to increase your accuracy and just replacing broken moving/contact parts as needed.

WA/WOC systems seem to have had little if any research and development put into them and have kind of fallen off as a wanted platform. Parts are still fairly available, but is slowly decreasing in availability as interest moves to other systems.

GHK is another brand that is supposed to be very promising in quality and performance. I unfortunately haven't handled it myself so I cannot attest to this, but I'm sure some gurus or people who have experience with them can pipe in. I would definitely keep this system in consideration.

If you want one which actually works all the time then you need a KJW. I haven't seen anything even close in reliability.

Grant

I own a Vipertech.

If you want cheap and gameable AR-15, then go GHK M4. By far the most practical and gameable M4 I can say till date. I shot the prototype and retail one at WGC HK. Great gun, fast full travel bolt action. GHK mags don't suffer from serious cool-down like the ViperTech. The GHK M4 is lightweight and easy to use, the Vipertech weighs a ton and the mags make it even more heavier.

If money isn't an issue then a Vipertech is the best BUILT AR15 in airsoft. Fully compatible with nearly all real steel parts and built TOUGH. The gun can go through hell and the trigger assembly (GFPA) is a really innovative design which can accept most WA mags on the market with zero problems.

A lot of the necessary stuff has been said.
I'll just toss in my two cents, and say that KJWs are rarely brought up as a good mid-range gun, but they are very good and reliable out of the box, and very simple to work with. On top of that, parts are easy to get and dirt cheap from KJW directly.

With that said, WE is decent, and everyone has one. Parts are prolific. Catastrophic failures seem to occur (relatively) frequently, but replacement parts are all you need.

If you're looking to dip into the GBBR waters, WE isn't a bad place to start. They're cheap, and usually in stock. If you don't have enough mags at the start, your buddy probably has spares. There's lots of aftermarket stuff. Though for the most part, you only need to install an NPAS out the box.

If you want to drop a bit of money, and have a gun that's good to go (just add an oring or two to the valve to drop the velocity), that'll just keep on going, I suggest a KJW. There's not many others out there with KJWs, though, so you'll pretty much be on your own for mags and spare bolts from your teammates.

It's hard to go wrong with either brand, but my suggestion is for the KJW.
...Or VT if you've made this post because you actually want to drop $2k on a gun and mags.

Ill chime in the on the GHK bandwagon here, brought in 8 of these guys last week and 2 of us have been testing ours pretty extensively since.

The gun is rock solid, no wobble, no creaks or cracks. The gas mags hold enough gas for over 100 rounds, something my KJW never could manage. I just fitted all magpul real steel parts, stock, grip, front rail and BAD lever. All fits super snug.

Plus the gun has all steel internals and im quoted by my sales guy as a 9,000 round break in period haha.

I got lots of spiel on my facebook if you want to read more about what we have tested. www.facebook.com/b2airsoft

Cheers

I've had a KJW M4 for over 4 years and it's been my primary that entire time. I've had nearly no problems which weren't caused by my own fiddling. The system just bloody works (ver.2) and the gun is extremely accurate. I'm seeing way better performance than the WE guns that I see fielded.
Parts from KJW are available and shipping is almost nothing.
Spend the extra cash on mags.

-Grant

I'm at the point where I could throw my WE off a third story of a building and it'd be functional. Out of the box, it's decent and stock parts are plentiful. But in recent years the parts market seems to have exploded and with a few tweaks here and there the gun suddenly turns into a very competitive weapon- mine can hit a milk crate at a distance over 150 feet.

Additionally, you can use real steel parts on it, and I think this puts it ahead- RS parts are typically the same price as the airsoft parts after shipping, with the added bonus of better material and finishing.

I have WE 416 and had to put time and money into to get it to a fair FPS and reliabity (resealing MAGS, pain in the ass) but it is effective GBBR

If I could do it all over again I would buy a KWA for GBBR...I never had a problem with any of their products but everyone has an opinion lol

I agree. Gen 2 magazines are bulletproof. Gen 1 magazines would depressurize if you looked at them the wrong way.

RA-Tech makes very nice upgrade parts for many WE models. WE open bolts can be suspect, but with proper tuning and upgrading can be really really nice.

There aren't really any GBBRs worth their weight that don't have expensive magazines.

Be careful with how many RA Tech parts you decide to swap into a WE receiver. RA Tech isn't spec'd 100% to WE. Sometimes they work fine, other times you have to fiddle and mod to get it to work correctly.

On a related note. I'm interested in the new RA Tech GBBR line. A birdie told me a local GTA retailer will be getting them in soon. I'm wondering how the quality will be given that they are supposedly made with all steel or "high quality" aluminum parts internally and externally. Maybe because everything is made by RA Tech fitment and alignment for all the moving and contact parts will be bang on.

Awesome guys, i have one concern regarding any of these companies and there GBBr's

Which would hold up best for intense semi auto firing? 6 shots 3 seconds?

Would i encounter any problems running a GBBr like this or even harder?

If so what kinda mods are in place to help?

Thanks!

You're using a GBBR Airsoft rifle. Not a speed ball paintball gun. Pick your targets and fire to hit a target, not to make loud bangs.

Also, get a kjw m4. Had mine for 4 years and it just worked. Replacements parts like an entire bolt assembly shipped to your door for 45 bucks Canadian. really nice gun.

You should mostly think about semi-automatic. Other than that, you probably want to know what GBBR works best in cold weather. Here are some that I heard are pretty good, resisting the winter months.

GHK PDW

WE PDW

GHK G5

We G39

KJW M4

I'm waiting for Tokyo Marui M4 GBBR :D

Oh Sh#t forgot about that one. Well it can probably withstand colder temperatures. If you look at the TM MP7 the cool down is almost non existent. I don't know whats up with Polymer Gbb these days but they seem to hold up to colder climates.

Will try this tmrw for you with a GHK M4 and let you know :)

WE.

Having had a second gen WETTI/AWSS M4A1, I gamed the bitch HARD for about 6 years, no real maintenance beyond a re-lube and wipe down after games. Damn thing ran STRONG!

I got rid of it due to funding issues, but if I were to go GBBR again, and I am seriously considering it, it would be WE WITHOUT QUESTION.

Gen 1 mags were beyond unreliable, but the Gen 2 are pretty good.

Does anyone have are really good review on the GHK M4? I keep hearing the mags are no longer compatible, cool down times are terrible and parts compatibility an issue and to stay away from it as well.

I have an old WE sticking kicking although part do break but easy to change out.

Or should I give KJW a try.

One thing on my list is a review on the M4, currently its not a well known gun and too many are bashing something they havent even seen haha

I did do a quick little test on mine, its been in my truck in nasty negative temperatures for 3 days, gassed and loaded. Brought it into the range and fired it right away with no issues whatso ever.

Every one i have sold has had rave reviews. I may ask those guys to quickly drop in here and give us some pros/cons on the guns.

If you have any immediate questions id be happy to help.

-James

Was the magazines fired at negative temps or just the M4?

mags were gassed and loaded before being left in the truck for the 3 days, fired right after i brought them onto the range :)

-James

give a KJ works a try, i have one and it is amazing, the last game i played, i counted 7 rifles that was KJ works including mines
one thing broke on it, and its the hop up lever, but i am able to land my shots on target in 20 meters, tested in semi and full auto, only had 20 meters to work with, for i was doing it in my backyard
however, to order new parts is easy and painless, so i have been lead to believe
and there is a huge thread on the KJ works m4 by baker_jeff
greatest asset is that it can use AEG parts, with minor modding to work, the receiver thread is spec'd to TM and WA, milspec and AEG collapsing stocks fits on the buffer tube
the newer STANAG magazines has the weight of a fully load real steel magazines

KWA

I have been running 2 stock MP7's for 2 years never had an issue

Is the hop up easy to adjust? How is efficiency?

Stock, it has a click wheel to adjust the hop-up. However many prople go for a TDC mod instead where a set-screw pushes on the hop-up arm. It gives much better adjustements. Other just mod the hop-up arm so you have a bit more pressure on the bucking. While the KJ is very hard to break for a GBBR the hop-up is certainly the weakest part. However I dont know yet a "perfect" GBBR platform.

I like the GHK ak over the WE ak. Because of 3 reasons.

1- GHK mags hold 50 bbs instead of WEs 32 bbs.
2- Rof is much faster on a GHK.
3- External steel and paint is much better quality.

# 4 lol- Mag gas efficiency is much better and the mags function well in the cold :)

Just my opinion.

GHK M4

I got my GHK M4 from Raven Wolf.

Awesome to deal with.

Thanks James !

Good choice, you won't be disappointed! :tup:

Is the TDC mod painful to adjust?

No, it uses an Allen key to adjust provided that you don't have optics covering the grub screw

So you need to drill a access hole on the top rail? Any pics of this set up?? I would like to try it.

Try this drop test with other AEG or GBBR. Viper Tech wins my vote being the toughest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5z7a49Wmzg

But again, the Viper Tech is not perfect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIuAa7audxg

+1 on this

I personally do not own one, but Ive shot one at WGC on multiple ocassions as well as a buddy of mine owns one and I gamed it once. Thing shoots amazing.

Long term things i wouldnt know yet but so far as I can tell its a good solid gun

Also another owner of the GK M4 from Raven Wolf. Amazing product, I never thought I would by another M4 till now. Read the fanboys rave reviews about their AK line. It appears they have put the same thoroughness into this gun. Gen 2 mags trump others out there.

Where can I buy a vipertech?

Just sent you a pm

oops. duplicate

I really like my GHK G5!

For some people, metal is the rules. Perso, I feel better with my polymer, easy to use, not heavy at all, kick is awesome and after more than 15 used and over 12 000 bb's, I just had 1 prob, easly fix and free charge by Samoon (GHK).

I didn't tried the new M4 from Samoon, but I'm sure, is cool too!

The GHK G5 looks nice. Could be on my collectors list.

Is the polymer a real polymer, or is a ABS type of plastic?

Hmmm.. curious no one has mentioned the Tippmann M4 Carbine. I know its new and all, but it boasts some serious capabilities. I for one will be giving it a proper look. HPA as well as Mag capable, not mention that you can run regular AEG mags with the HPA set up. Runs the same bolt mechanism as the A5 paintball rig, so it is proven....And the Tippmann guys used a bit of common sense and designed it with most milspec mods out there in mind and minimised proprietary components which is more than I can say for other brands out there. Im actually surprised it hasn't taken over yet......

The Tippman literally just came out and people probably want to give it some time before declaring it to be a top GBBR brand.

It may be great as an HPA platform but that's not really what the OP was asking for was it?

fair point...but I only bring it up because in other threads it seems lots of people are already quite "knowledgeable" about them.....

As for HPA...gas is gas in my book. Its operated by gas and it "blows back" so, yeah...it is the same thing. "Gas Blow Back". Since air is 78% Nitrogen ( a gas) and 20% Oxygen (also a gas), I think its safe to say HPA can be considered gas.....no?

That said, I've had a wee look into the GHK drop in...interesting.....

Looks like a gas blow forward, if this video is to be believed but gas is gas as you say.

Have shot a GHK M4 and was very pleased with it, but I'm holding out for a Tokyo Marui M4 GBBR.

..here we go again
 

I've had a 2009 Inokatsu M4 "super version" since they were released and it's rock solid. Everything is made of the materials they are supposed to be, which means steel internals. Never had an issue with it other than the 2009 model year the fire control group pin holes in the lower receiver were slightly too large, and the pins liked to "walk" out of the receiver on full auto. I installed a set of "pin links" and no problems since.