KJW KP06 magazine help
 

So I'm doing a quick post before I go to work, but I'm finding that one of the green gas mags hasn't been working properly. Yes I've filled them properly, everything is lubed up and the other 2 I have don't seem to have this problem.

What's been happening is, I'll get maybe one shot off but then the gun doesn't fire anymore like there's not enough gas to cycle but if I manually cycle the slide, it fires. But then doesn't fire again after. I've tried the other 2 mags and they don't do this.

One thing I noticed is the release valve (the one on the side of the mag, not quite sure of the name) of the 1 mag is a few mm more out than the other 2. But other than that I don't know what is the cause. I've done some fixes to deal with leaking and all but nothing seems to have had an effect. Also, the one mag not working has a glossy finish to it while the other 2 have a matte finish so it's easy to tell the difference.

I will post some pictures and even some video for what's going on later tonight but I just wanted to post now so I get some ideas

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The problem has since gotten worse after changing the fill valve. Now I can barely get a shot or 2 out as the hammer just comes down but no sign of gas being released. I've played around with the release valve and how tight it is to give the valve some height and it hasn't really made a difference. Gas is being properly filled, seeing as how I have to expel quite a lot before working on the magazines. I've played with the tension of the hammer springs and leaf-spring and it's had an effect on the recoil in the other magazines but not so much solving this problem

As like before, the other 2 magazines are just fine. Really don't want to have to get another magazine if I can figure out what's wrong with this one. Debating on getting another release valve to see if that was the problem. I'll add the video to this post as soon as it's done uploading

Here's a quick video. It should still be processing
http://youtu.be/ReU98n_EldM

I have a simalar problem mine will fire on co2, but on green gas mags the hammer goes down and no gas is released (The mags are full filled the correct way and correct amount of time) If anyone out there has any idea help is needed, Also we exchanged the mags for new ones and the new ones do the exact same thing.

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I have since noticed that playing with the sear spring helps it but I'm not entirely sure which prong to be moving around and in which direction. I know the one on the left (if you're looking directly at it from the back isn't gonna affect much, so either the middle or left one) If someone could help me (like what pushing the middle prong forward or backwards does) then I may be better at figuring out what's wrong

Tried it with bb's and it shoots one fine, then the second shot is kinda a letdown and the bb just kinda rolls out so I'm still playing around with the sear spring but nothing seems to work. I'll buy another spring to see if that works but I wanna avoid it for now

This is still a problem and I'm starting to think it's the leaf spring. Does anyone know if any hi-capa leaf spring is compatible in the KP06? I'm really trying to avoid bringing this to someone as I don't think this is a big thing to fix. Please help!

If it's just 1 mag being troublesome, it might be more economical to use it as a parts mag and just replace it... at some point investing so much time into such a stubborn thing becomes frustrating, or a waste of precious time that could be spent on more constructive things.

How much is your time worth to you? If I can't solve a mag issue in 2-3 hours, I buy a new mag. How much money and time have you spent on playing with springs and valves now? I value my time at base, 20$/hour. I have all of 2, maybe 3 nights per week tops to work on gun related stuff. I can't waste that time messing around with 1 fussy mag. :P

Have you tried swapping the release valve from a working mag? That would put one of your other working mags at risk of not coming back together properly due to some voodoo curse of the airsoft gods. But it could be worth a try. If 2 out of 3 work in the gun, you don't question the gun unless you're hideously unlucky and the 2 working ones are the bad ones.

That's the thing. The 3 mags all worked fine before. But then one day they stopped working. I already replaced the release valve and moved them around. At this point they work whenever they feel like it.

What baffles me is how it was the 2 working fine, then I play with the leaf spring then the 1 that doesn't work, works and the 2 that did don't anymore. Change back the leaf spring and then they swap again.

I don't touch this gun too often so the first thing I do is lube the mags. They work, then stop after a while. I bought 2 new mags from Airsoft Gear so I'll see how that works out.
So far that's the most I've spent on it. The time it takes me to play with the leaf spring is negligible to me seeing and the new recoil and hammer spring I bought were after the problems started. This was one of my first pistols and I really love it so I don't mind putting the time in

how's the wear on the mag catch in the gun and the slot on the mags? maybe the mags aren't all sitting in the right spot in relation to the knocker?

The slots on the mags aren't worn out too much. They're fairly new so there's not much there. The mag catch is a little worn though. Pushing the mag up from the bottom pretty much fixes the problem. Should I just replace the catch to see if it fixes it?

could be a good start rather than messing with springs.

So I finally got around to changing the mag release and it's still having the same problem. For some reason the green gas mags aren't seating high enough in the well. I don't know what to try next

JB weld and grind a new slot for the latch to lock into? :P


btw, have you tried the mags in other kjw 226s?

lurking, KP06 is a Hicapa...

If you're still having issues maybe you should take it to someone who has experience with Hicapas.

DERP.

I think I found something I might look into. While googling some stuff for this i came across this filipino Airsoft post. http://www.filairsoft.com/forum/show...em-help-please!
From this, I noticed my valve knocker is a little wobbly in the pistol which might explain why it might not be engaging the valve without the opposing force from pushing up on it. May try the nut thing, but I have a feeling a beefier valve knocker might do it

You mean valve knocker spring?

Well if that is what fixes it. Not sure what is that determines the force of the knocker. From the position of the knocker on the valve, I feel like it's not in a good enough position to press it forcibly enough. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just really bent on fixing this because I love the pistol too much

LaZouche Custom airsoft new strip down of TM MEU 1911. - YouTube

Check this playlist for the 1911 takedown and reassemble. This guy has some tips and tricks for troubleshooting a 1911 it is a meu however on his channel somewhere he has 1 for the highcapa based pistols. I used this to do work on my meu. Hopefully after watching this you may have some more insight into the problem.

P.S

he does do a section on the takedown vid about the 3 finger spring and the sear that may help you.

Cheers,

Whiskey

If the knocker isn't being forced to it's lower-most (downward) position in the knocker window, you're going to have issues. That's the valve knocker spring's job (to pull down on it). \
The force of the hit comes from your hammer spring in the grip.
If your knocker is wobbly up and down, your knocker spring is probably broken.

Okay so I think I figured out what's happening, based off what was said in that other forum post (adding the nut and all) and based on having to push up on the magazine.

So I had actually taken apart the pistol and looking and the knocker I noticed this
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...971F75F277.jpg

The knocker itself can float up a bit in it's channel. So my theory is that with the mag in, it can sometimes float to above the valve release which in its position in the first picture, it does that when I put the magazine with it

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...179B27A21B.jpg

Either that or some kind of pistol gremlin is doing it. This would make sense with the nut thing if it means the valve release has a bigger area to be pressed. But then again I could just be completely off and dont know what I'm talking about

When it's cocked it shouldn't matter, it will retract back into the housing/window and get behind the valve. Cock the valve knocker and take another picture, and check if it moves a lot or if it's mostly pointing downwards.

Here it is cocked
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...281A91C8D5.jpg

It doesn't move so much unless I put a bit of force. But I mean with the sound it makes as I'm firing, it does sound like the valve stops getting hit and there's not a lot of gas getting released. I can do better video of the issue if it'll help things along

UPDATE: I don't know what did it but after putting it back together, it wasn't doing it anymore. I'll have to check tomorrow seeing as how it's late and the family doesn't appreciate the gas smell

It's possible the knocker was stuck somehow or the spring wasn't positioned right.

Maybe. After going through a few shots in each mag (too lazy to get a new can of propane) I had no problems. So I'm gonna to do a stress test tomorrow using fully loaded mags and see how it goes

So I decided to look back at this and the common thing is that the knocker doesn't properly hit the valve release without the upward pressure. I lurked around and managed to find someone on the philippines airsoft get suggest putting a nut on the valve release like in the article below

http://www.filairsoft.com/forum/show...em-help-please!

Anyone have experience with sticking a nut on the valve releases (size and what not) before I head to a hardware store with a mag in hand?