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beta678 April 30th, 2014 18:26

Hobbyking Batteries? aka "AEG noob needs battery advice"
 
Seems like one of those days where I end up asking a ton of questions... anyways, I'm looking to get a 7.4 lipo battery (one that can take advantage of the ample battery space in the fixed stock) for my "back-up" JG G3 AEG as I don't expect the one that came with it to last all day.

I'm not a big fan of AEG's so I'm sorta in the dark when it comes to batteries, I'm not sure what to look for asides from a higher Mah rating for battery endurance and around a 20C discharge rate... I think.

I'm looking at the Turnigy batteries at the moment but honestly I don't know what exactly to look for...

Here's two with specs that seem to meet what I'm looking for but not sure if it'd be alright to use in my AEG... Can anyone help me out here?

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...APPROVED_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...Lipo_Pack.html

ThunderCactus April 30th, 2014 18:58

Basically just find a nanotech or rhino battery, of ANY discharge rate at or above 20C, and to whatever dimensions you can cram into your stock
7.4 lipo is safe to use on any AEG, and you don't need an encased lipo, unless you plan on using your gun as a close combat weapon at a renaissance fair.

Comeau-SCS April 30th, 2014 19:17

I've been using nanotech for a while. They can offer very good performance for a ridiculous price. Just check if your fuse can take good amount of amperage draw. Some AEG come with 15 amp fuse and it could burn as some motor can take more than that.

Also unless you like to solder you may consider an adapter for your type of connector. I recommand installing a dean connector to any airsoft but I understand some people dont like to solder.

Red Dot April 30th, 2014 19:25

What I did was take my AEG to a local hobby shop where they switched the mini-Tamiya for a deans and that opens you up to using a lot more batteries. I ended up getting some 7.4v 20C 2600mah lipos from them that fit my stock, 2 of those will get me through a 24 hour scenario. :)

lurkingknight April 30th, 2014 19:30

hard case is not a bad idea if you run an external battery bag.. but otherwise... the most mah you can cram into the space you have is sufficient.

beta678 April 30th, 2014 19:55

I can solder and replace the connectors if needed, so that's not a big problem for me. Not sure about the fuse rating though, I've got a ton of spare fuses in the basement so if I do burn it out I'll just grab a higher rated fuse I guess.

Now that I know I don't have to worry about the discharge rate, I'll just get the highest mAh battery around $20 that fits my stock. I don't really care about the hardcase if it fits, its just the 5000 mAh hardcase is cheaper than the one without the case lol.

One last thing, is there a lipo charger you guys would recommend? I don't expect to use an AEG too often so would like to grab a cheap charger if possible. Also, are lipo charging bags necessary? I mean we technically charge lipo's all the time (iphones, laptop, etc) and batteries don't spontaneously combust on us all the time.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._Chargers.html

Hobbyking has a couple of cheap ones here (lots more on the non-airsoft specific charger page) but not sure what to look for.

Comeau-SCS April 30th, 2014 21:06

Imax B6 all the way. I know its not the cheapest but they can charge almost any type of battery with different number of cells. You can choose the exact charge rate and they balance lipo well and it is durable. They only downside I can see is that is beep when you press buttons ;)

And also the batteries in phones and laptop are lithium-ion not lithium polymer. They are a lot less fragile and can handle overcharge better. However they are usally a lot larger for the same capacity and have lower discharge rate.

ThunderCactus April 30th, 2014 23:03

never cheap out on a charger
read up on the noob guide for batteries if you want to know everything you need to know about lipo!

lurkingknight May 1st, 2014 00:21

I think the standard is 30A fuse... but that's rather high... I've seen guns in distress not pop a fuse, and guns prematurely pop a fuse, so it's kind of a headscratcher when you're talking about disposable fuses.

I'm getting into installing poly fuses into a few client guns as testers. they will pop when they get to a certain temperature usually through surge, but you can pop them with heavy draw setups if you use a lot of semi... I'm talking big motor, short gears, big spring type setups.

The nice thing about them is that when they cool down they resume functioning as normal so there's nothing to replace... unless you really melt it down but by that point lots of other things have gone really wrong.

I would also recommend an imax b6ac ( with the ac adapter built in), some of them are external powered and you don't want to deal with the hassle.

Red Dot May 1st, 2014 01:13

And you can turn off the beeps in the menu. :)

beta678 May 1st, 2014 04:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comeau-SCS (Post 1886410)
Imax B6 all the way. I know its not the cheapest but they can charge almost any type of battery with different number of cells. You can choose the exact charge rate and they balance lipo well and it is durable. They only downside I can see is that is beep when you press buttons ;)

And also the batteries in phones and laptop are lithium-ion not lithium polymer. They are a lot less fragile and can handle overcharge better. However they are usally a lot larger for the same capacity and have lower discharge rate.

Hm, looking into the Imax B6 but also considering some other chargers as well. It sorta feels like "too much charger" since I'll only have 2 batteries to charge every once in a while when I'm not running a GBBR.

Also, learned something new about phone batteries, always thought they were the same thing for some reason. Good to know, thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by lurkingknight (Post 1886483)
I think the standard is 30A fuse... but that's rather high... I've seen guns in distress not pop a fuse, and guns prematurely pop a fuse, so it's kind of a headscratcher when you're talking about disposable fuses.

I'm getting into installing poly fuses into a few client guns as testers. they will pop when they get to a certain temperature usually through surge, but you can pop them with heavy draw setups if you use a lot of semi... I'm talking big motor, short gears, big spring type setups.

The nice thing about them is that when they cool down they resume functioning as normal so there's nothing to replace... unless you really melt it down but by that point lots of other things have gone really wrong.

I would also recommend an imax b6ac ( with the ac adapter built in), some of them are external powered and you don't want to deal with the hassle.

lol, I know that feeling I was confused as heck when I got my AEG since it fired a couple of bb's then stopped working for no reason. Took a few hours to find the problem as the motor was fine, fuse wasn't burnt out and everything else worked perfectly. Took a closer look at the 25A fuse after and lo and behold... the fuse wasn't sealed properly and one of the end caps came right off... problem found...

Those polyfuses sound interesting but I don't think I'd need one as I'm running everything stock and I don't have plans to really upgrade the G3.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1886461)
never cheap out on a charger
read up on the noob guide for batteries if you want to know everything you need to know about lipo!

lol totally want to cheap out and get more gas mags instead haha, can't believe I missed the noob battery guide... facepalm... will read it over, thanks!

ThunderCactus May 1st, 2014 12:38

You may think it's too much charger now, but consider the fact a BAD charger could potentially burn down your house.
Doesn't seem so expensive now lol

Also, the imax B6 can charge lead acid batteries. I use mine to top up my motorcycle battery in the winter

beta678 May 1st, 2014 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1886579)
You may think it's too much charger now, but consider the fact a BAD charger could potentially burn down your house.
Doesn't seem so expensive now lol

Also, the imax B6 can charge lead acid batteries. I use mine to top up my motorcycle battery in the winter

Imax B6 it is then, or something of equal or better quality (seems like the B6 has some issues according a number of reviews?). The motorcycle part convinced me lol.

ThunderCactus May 1st, 2014 16:07

issues are rare and typically on the chinese clones of the imax b6
youve got nothing to worry about

AnthonyG December 21st, 2014 22:28

Just looking for an update to this question:

What's the best practice for ordering from hobbyking: International or US warehouse?
I'm also looking at batteries/charger

beta678 December 21st, 2014 22:30

US Warehouse.

The order I placed after making this thread only arrived around the end of September... paid for airmail and POS Malaysia sent it by sea.

AnthonyG December 22nd, 2014 00:56

Is that happening for all the International orders now? Or was that just a legitimate mistake on their part?

What about issues associated with customs and duties on packages from the US?

Edit: right now the international warehouse is only giving me the option of FedEx for $34, cost of goods is about $65. And the US warehouse doesn't have my batteries in stock.

beta678 December 22nd, 2014 01:18

Well, if your order has a battery in it, its going by sea. There's a number of threads on it over on the hobbyking forums.

Customers aren't really informed of it, so not a mistake. Guess they also make a buck or two off of you as they probably get to keep the extra you pay for shipping.

I don't see any issues with ordering batteries from their US site, its just a R/C battery. Duties and taxes are expected so that's not really an issue.

Send them an email? I don't know about Fedex, I only had a standard airmail option when I went to place my order.

AnthonyG December 22nd, 2014 01:22

Okay, so the US West has all the items in my order (was looking at east), and they also do Purolator which is my preferred shipping option. The shipping is cheaper so everything comes out to the same price as the international warehouse.

If anything I could get charged HST upon delivery which is acceptable.

beta678 December 22nd, 2014 01:41

Another tip, if you're ordering batteries, consider ordering some XT60 connector since they're pretty much the latest standard for R/C. Plus, its easier and less of a hassle to rewire one or two guns than "X" number of batteries.

Performance wise, they're equal to, or better than deans connectors. Airsoft tech is a bit behind R/C tech so you see a lot of guns w/ tamiya's and as of late, some of them wired for deans from factory.

ThunderCactus December 22nd, 2014 02:20

When airsoft companies do put deans on, theyre usually crap and need to be changed anyway

AnthonyG December 22nd, 2014 03:01

I'd considered it, but thought I could always go to my local RC shop and buy them to put on later.

Anyways my order was placed for 3x Turnigy nano-tech 2000mah's. I also got the Turnigy Accucell-6 with external DC supply since it came out slightly cheaper than the Imax (and I have extra laptop power supplies kicking around). My gun is rear-wired with a crane stock so I had to go nunchuck style, otherwise I probably would have tried 2 large capacity batteries.

And I got a lovely little voltage alarm for $2 on ebay.

Purolator shipping should either arrive Christmas eve or next week.


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