Need advices for buying my first gun.
 

Hi everyone , for this year i wanted to try out airsoft . I played lots of '' Gun games '' before but after reading and watching videos about airsofts for almost 2 years i finally wanted to buy my first gun to be game ready.

After reading a lot my first choices would be the G&G MP5 SD or A4 (338-378$). But I also found this classic Army M15A4 CQB, X-Series for 390$
I can't make a choice , I read that G&G is overpriced in Canada .


Are there any other weapon that I could look into??.


M.D

I would recommend you decide what type of gun you want before anything else, M4 or MP5. This will make your decision easier.

All guns are over priced in Canada (compared to Asia and the US) but they are in the process of coming down in price as we speak.

M4's are quite common so they aren't bad starter guns as there are many people who can offer knowledge on fixing and upgrading them. You will have mag compatibility on the field with most players if you or they run short on ammo.

The King Arms M4A1 is highly touted as an excellent value for the money and a great gun to start out with. Good quality full metal externals and solid mauri compatible internals out of the box. They retail anywhere from $250 - $300 these days and I could tell you where to get one if you get yourself age verified.

+1
KA and CA M4 are the good choices for a first Airsoft. Good quality for the price.

Great thanks , yeah I contacted someone who can do it , just waiting for a response hehe . thanks for the advices. I need to decide between MP5 and M4 but a question i got , with an MP5 will i get the same distances when shooting than with a M4?

I recommend the king arms m4, Very cheap if you look around, I found a good price for it (can't give retailers till age verified), Try searching the gun you want of Google, don't rush buying that is what I learned.

+1 On the king arms, Don't buy G&G if you know if it is to expensive, you can get the same;better quality in other company especially King arms with there line of m4s

For the mp5 thing I would recommend getting the m4 if your playing some type of big indoor game or outside, if you play like at Sgt. Splatters I would recommend the m4.

The m4 barrel is much longer, If you get a stock barrel of a m4 it will have better accuracy than the mp5 barrel, and it depends what type of company you are choosing, (sometimes there are different sizes of barrels in the different guns, for example a stock king arms has a 6.08 barrel and a Kwa has around 6.05 from what I hear.

Wait for a month or 2 and search some sites a few times a week, you can see what time gives you.

And please read the laws of Airsoft, and don't buy guns outside of Canada it will get seized.

Generally speaking an M4A1 will get more distance than with an MP5. This is because it has a longer barrel, a CQB type M4 will have a similar sized or shorter barrel and will tend to have the same or less range.

Now there is a difference between range, and accuracy at range. Range is related to your hop-up unit, your hop-up rubber, your barrel bore and barrel length, these will also have an effect (but aren't the only factors) on your accuracy. So a shorter barrel gun can out range and have better accuracy than a a longer barrel gun if it has a nice TB barrel, hop rubber and good compression.

** edit: Note FPS doesn't have as much of an effect on range and accuracy as most people think.

Exactly, Better quality will get you accuracy and range.

It is against forum rules to tell people where they can buy guns in a thread that is open to non age verified users.

Please edit your post to reflect forum rules.

Done .

My best advice is if your new you might as well just buy the new classic army minigun......its only like 4000 to 5000 dollars and then you will know you have a great gun in which you can dominate with. Im sure its totally worth the money.

Bahaha im obviously just messin....but that would be pretty funny if a noob showed up with a minigun......so if anyone is rich and has a good sense of humor.....please buy that minigun for your first game Lol

No but maybe i should post something useful.......watch revolution airsoft.com website and watch the deal of the day....they have wicked awesome prices way lower than anyone else ive seen much and they have the "deal of the day" which is ussually a steal. check it out.

Is it difficult to remove/change the orange tips so that you dont stick out like a sore thumb?

Most are twist off. Atleast once you get ride of the glue holding them on. A hair dryer or hot air gun can help weaken the glue. Or you can paint it black.

J_march stop giving retail info to someone not Age Verified!

Viper, that depends.
If it's something like a M4, then yes. On my friend's it came with both a orange and a black tip, so he swapped them almost as soon as it was out of the box.
If it's something like a 1911, then probably not. The tip is glued on or like painted on AFAIK.
I'm probably wrong on the pistol part because I've never had a pistol with an orange tip save for crappy springers.

Thanks for the quick response guys, two more questions.
Polycarbonate vs metal bodies; are the metal ones that much better?
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Any thoughts/comments about Javelin metal AEG?

Thanks

Metal is cooler but plastic is just fine for a first gun.

If you want to know more there is a airsoft convention this Saturday in Toronto there will be lots of retailers whoring out their products, you can feel them up before you commit to purchase. If Saturday don't work for you feel free to drop into Toronto Airsoft they have some nice starter gun that you can feel up.

usually requires an allen key to take it off small allen screw usually on the new guns for the flash hider

sorry by bad, I didnt look to see if he was age verified yet.

Avoid G&G and ICS halfbreeds. Actually, avoid all halfbreeds. Simply put they're not worth the price.

I'm not a huge fan of G&G guns. Not because they're terrible guns per se, I just happen to believe there is better out there for a similar price.

As for M4 vs. MP5, I highly suggest you go hold and handle both guns first. They're of similar length but feel very different and have different layouts. Personally, I'm not a fan of how M4s feel but I rather like MP5s.


Most AEGs have similar effective range when stock. With few exceptions, any differences are small -like 20'-30' kind of small.

Most AEGs can also be upgraded to shoot to similar levels.. I've seen MP5SD's that are absolute precision beam cannons effective to 200' or more.

From any decent stock AEG you can reasonably expect engagement distances of 80'-150' (dependent on conditions and ammo selection, and a few other factors). Some AEGs you can expect a little more.

Let me put it this way... good quality plastic bodies are fine if you're not rough with your gun... but even low quality metal is superior. Poor quality plastic bodies (as found on most halfbreed guns) are complete shit and should be avoided at all costs.

The other thing to consider is that you're usually only looking at another $100 or so for a metal bodied gun over it's plastic bodied sibling... later upgrading said sibling is probably going to cost you $200+ for the body plus a whole headache of fitment issues.

I'm very much of the opinion that you should you buy the best AEG you can afford first (leaving room in your budget for the other accessories you need, like mags, battery, charger, boots and eye protection, etc.). Get lower quality guns later when you have an AEG you KNOW will work.

Just my $0.02

Yeah as for looks I prefer the MP5 if I go for the vibe of the MP5 , I don't know if you can tell me since im not AV but wich brand has some nice MP5 , I only saw G&G ones.

Thanks for the replies everyone it helps

The Umarex ones are G&G internals with full trades externals.

CA makes MP5's.
VFC makes a GBBR one.
ICS Mp5's are great.
TM MP5s can be found are the best bet for internals IMHO.

Dosen't matter if the op is verified or not it's the section your post is in. EVERY non av'ed member can see what you posted.

Are A&K , KWA and ARES well rated ???

like the KWA / ARES G36C or A&K SR25K.

It really depends what you're looking for. If I had enough money, I'd just get something I thought looked cool, throw it at a gun doc and let him deal with it. Unfortunately I don't, so I try to be as cheap as possible. So for me, airsoft and gun doctoring is one and the same. Maintenance and repair is inevitable so don't cheap out on guns! The cheaper brands will cost you the same or more than a nicer brand in the long run.

Because I do everything myself, I want it to be as hassle free as possible. That why I would only recommend two guns: TM p90 or G&G fn2000. Open the back, unscrew two screws and the mech box pops out! Shimming a version 6 is really easy because of the motor cage, you can easily get the motor alignment perfect! P90 is compact and light even with a silencer. Only downside is the magazine! They're hard to find and typically not as cheap as m4 mags. Also getting pouches for them at a reasonable price is a bitch. I've never used an FN2000 so I technically shouldn't be recommending it but I've read great things about it and it's easy to maintain! Fn2000 takes m4 mags so that's a big plus!

Regardless of what you choose, I highly recommend staying with a gun that has TM compatible parts. When something breaks down, you'll have a much easier time finding something within your budget!

G36 is an excellent newbie gun, but not the ARES version. ARES uses proprietary parts that are a bitch to get. The KWA one is excellent, but only the full-black one. The body on the clear one is very weak and I'm not convinced it will hold up for long terms use.

IMHO the best G36 to pick up is the Classic Army version. Body is excellent and internals are fine. The G36 is easy to disassemble and the Version 3 mechbox is robust and fairly easy to work on.

I have found a G&G FN2000+ACOG for 454$ at Torontoairsoft.ca is the price good?

As for G36C for now I can only see the KWA one since im not AV yet.

For the SR25 from A&K? Other question is can you add a scope to a M4 that doesnt have a rail?

What do you mean? Are you talking about a m4 that doesn't have a detachable carry handle? If so, than yes, there are some rails you can install on that carry handle so you can install a scope...

Yeah i meant on the carry handle like the first version of the M4 without the RIS system along the barrel.

You can also install a scope directly on the carry handle provided it has the right mount.

Yep, but, personally, I think it's very uncomfortable.

Alright i should go for something not on the carry handle

Why? Have you already tried it and found it uncomfortable as well?

IMO, it's not uncomfortable at all. I'm not even sure why it'd be uncomfortable.

Just that I don't really think im gonna get a M4 with the carry handle. I may be wrong but with a RIS system its more easy to mod ?

I just picked up a VFC HK416 as my first gun, I did a lot of research and I did want an M4 platform. RIS gives you more options to throw on optics, accessories, etc. I like the way the 416 has a full rail front to back so allows me to position my red dot without the gap from the D ring. I made the decision to go full metal based on the durability factor, I know polymers and plastics have gotten much stronger that what they used to be but I have that peace of mind that my 416 can take a bit more abuse when I go to use it.

Whether you get a carry handle or not it's up to you, you gotta' figure out what sort of style you want to go for, I've got bare bones accessories on my 416, a hand me down Magpul AFG2 grip and an NcStar 1x40 red dot. For what it is, it's versatile, I can use it CQB or outdoors, although I still have yet to take it to a game so I'll find out how well it does in a few weekends.

Well talking of Jing Gong i found that http://torontoairsoft.com/product.php?id_product=1650 do you guys think its a good one , its only compatible with SR25 Mags right ? I know A&K does one too i just need to find the best out of the 2 , I think i prefer outside play but if I can go inside il go too.

I've got both an M4A1 (ICS) and an MP5 (TM).

Both have their uses, in the right environment. Both are interchangeable within those environments.

The M4A1 is my primary outdoors field weapon. I've got it set up so that i can have an aimpoint on it for CQB'ish/short range engagements (with handle removed), and a 4x32 Telescopic scope on either the removable handle via a dovetail mount, or mounted directly on the rail, with the handle removed. I can throw a tactical flashlight (surefire clone) on it for night events, or a Harris bipod, if i feel like camping in the weeds with the telescopic scope. In short, it's my do it all, swiss army knife of rifles for airsoft.

The MP5 comes into play, when i'm tired of toting the M4A1 around. I'm currently playing airsoft for an unusual reason. Physiotherapy, post double hip replacement. After a while the M4A1 can get on the heavy/unwieldy side if i am getting tired... and the MP5 can be quickly switched to for a package that is much more compact, and lighter by a good margin - allowing me to stay in play for a little while longer. It's got pretty close to the same range as the M4A1.. i'm not really at a disadvantage with it, in terms of engagement effectiveness at all. I've also equipped it with an aimpoint sight, and I have also got a flashlight for it (integrated into the forestock of the Navy version MP5A4) so i'm not at a disadvantage at night-time with it either.

The advantage of having two - beyond the advantage that each may possess over the other in any given situation, is that you have a back-up rifle close at hand, should one go down for whatever reason. Both are equally as comfortable in my hands.

So in short, i ain't got an answer for you as to which is the better rifle to pick.. I like 'em both, pretty much equally.

With an M4 CQB maybe I can achieve both , outdoor plays and inside?

As for the SR25 i saw that mags were not compatible with M16 ones and its a designated marksman weapon (wich can be interesting) and the barrel is unscrewable(A&K).

M.D

It's advisable for new entrants into airsoft to stay away from DMR's/Sniper rifles as a first weapon - the role that they can play is somewhat limited in a given game, and require patience.. they are more of a stand-off weapon. It's better to get something a little more well-rounded in capability when starting off in the sport, and entertain getting one of the sniper rifles/DMR's as a secondary weapon later, should you so choose to do so.

My M4A1 is a 14.5" version, as are most. I wouldn't hesitate to use it for indoor events, if needed.

Yeah thats what im thinking , i need to get used to airsoft before go '' marksman '' . So far my choice is a Classic Army M15A4 CQB X-series , im thinking to add a ACOG scope on it. http://www.revolutionairsoft.com/Cla...ies_p_145.html , what kind of battery would be needed for that?


M.D

Almost all M4's have removable carry handles, look for the large round screws on the side. This will give you plenty of rail to mount any optic you want. A rail system can be useful but most people just use them to mount a flashlight and a vertical grip that they don't use anyways. It's a lot of weight when you can simply mount a couple of small rail sections to the handguard to achieve the same effect.

Though rail systems are cool, I want one :)

* edit: Rail systems can be bought and added after the fact. Sometimes it's better to buy a base M4A1 and add the components you want. It will allow you to customize every part to your desires. May also be cheaper depending what you want. Unless you can find one that is very close to or exactly what you want.

Non removable
http://ultimak.com/products/ap10604inst.jpg

Removable
http://www.airsoftretreat.com/gallery/data/591/3.jpg
http://www.airsoftretreat.com/gallery/data/591/5.jpg


An ACOG scope is generally magnified. I would strongly recommend against it for a CQB weapon, unless you like the look and get one that is simply a red dot, not magnafied. Otherwise I would recommend an aimpoint or an eotec.

If you want a gun that will be good for outdoors and indoors you should get one with a 14.5" (M4A1 length) barrel not a CQB length. An upgraded CQB length gun can be made to shoot well for outdoor but all things being equal the longer barrel will keep you from being outranged.

That gun takes it's battery in the stock. A crane stock battery.

I picked up an ICS M4 last year have since upgraded to metal receiver (upper and lower) and RIS. it is a little tight for CQB
there are a few minor compatibility issues but overall the gun is easy to work on with the separate upper and lower mech box. if you switch between indoor and outdoor a lot you can have 2 upper mech boxes (takes about 1min to switch), you can also easily hopup/barrel swap to use a tight bore for out doors

the stock gears are decent, I would replace the piston (poly-carb but full metal slice), nozzle with an o-ring, (consider the piston head and cylinder head)
if you can afford it go metal up front, it's more expensive to do it later, ICS at least uses better parts for metal (primarily upper gear box) than they do for "dark tint"

Here's a novel idea:

Go to a game, handle some guns, see what you like. Get AV'd at the same time.

Yeah already got contacted for my AV just need to set up a meeting. for the guns M4 seems to be the perfect fit for me , I know I would be pleased with a AK model . I just need to find a good model but a good brand. Being AVed will help a lot.

Where are you located? You could do your AV and handle lots of different guns all in one stop on saturday at TAC '12.

I am located in Quebec , so if its Ontario or else its kinda hard to get there hehe there's only 2 people around my location that can get me AVed

If I go with this one http://www.revolutionairsoft.com/Cla...ies_p_145.html , do you think I am gonna be good to play outside (where I want to play most ) ? or maybe with this one http://www.revolutionairsoft.com/KWA...bine_p_68.html and mod it a little bit ?

You can play outside with ALL airsoft guns.

Where does this impression that only long barreled guns can compete outdoors come from? I've seen quite a few threads recently where newbies to airsoft seem to think that carbines and SMGs are only usable indoors.

Seriously, 90% of airsoft guns function pretty similar stock. You DO NOT need an upgraded, modded, or otherwise different gun to play outdoors. I've played outdoors with guns ranging from a stock P90, mildly upgraded FA-MAS, and heavily upgraded G36. All worked fine outside.

GO TO A GAME

SEE WHAT PEOPLE USE

HANDLE SOME GUNS

BUY WHAT YOU LIKE

Because this thread is starting to become redundant, take a look at this: http://airsoftcanada.com/search.php?searchid=6520829

Yeah so far I am going for the Classic Army M15A4 CQB the site where I found it (Canadian based) does not give a battery in the package and I have read that crane stock need a special battery , what is it?

Regardless as to which one you buy, you will need to downgrade the FPS from the indicated velocity down to around 350 fps with a spring change to be fieldable, and in the end, reliable - for either gun. kalnaren is correct, in the end there isn't much of a difference in average 'reach out and touch someone' from gun to gun, much less difference in barrel length between regular and CQB for the same type of gun. Average engagement distances aren't all that long on most fields.

The differences between those two guns, IMHO, comes down to your own personal preference.

Try reading more. The spoon you've been fed with fell on the floor and no one cares to look for it.

Kalnaren gives good advice. In fact it was given more than once and I'll expand on it. Since you are in Quebec, find out where the games are played. Go meet these people and check out what they play with. There's going to be a bit of every flavor as most people have different tastes. Get a feel for what works for you.

And again go read, read, read. There's a plethora of information on this site as well as google. If you've read that a crane stock takes a specific battery, you're almost there and can easily find which battery will fit/work.

I guess internet text don't compute in OPS brain. So why don't you "Amberclad" talk with the age verifier that you'll be meeting up with and he can explain everything that you need to know.

Yeah Kalnaren pretty much sums it up . Well I have made my choice after reading and talking about it . I have read for some events that the FPS needs to be 350-400 but the gun i chose is 440 FPS what should I modify to downgrade it? Can I do it myself or seek the help of a gun doctor?

You need to down grade the spring. S90 or M100.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showpos...4&postcount=51


Told you what you needed to do, 3 posts up, and as per Kozzie's posting in reply. There are plenty of Youtube vid's on how to do a spring change on whichever version gearbox your gun will have.

This is my next gun. Be a couple of weeks till i get it i think. G&G Max quality without max price

Tundra Arms M4 Blowback AEG - YouTube

Blowback AEG.... MEH.

Looks really good, I want to see what that baby has inside, the blowback looks really crisp.

My first question would be, what is that gun a rebrand of?
May be just my eyes playing tricks on me but that looks like green hopup knobs, which means G&G.

Ya I believe it is the G&G Max or top tech or what ever they call it. Just not the max price. It's gonna be under $500 full metal with pnumatic blow back. the retailer had some in for demo but sold out already. just waiting for next shipment in a week or so