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VicViper_Mk2 March 6th, 2012 11:23

orange cap/tip in Canada
 
Hi guys, got a question regarding the orange cap/tip on airsoft. Now I've heard Orange cap/tip aren't necessary in Canada as its strictly an States tradition. Which might explains why most retailer sell their guns without any.

Long ago I bought a G36K by SRC. The rifle came with a orange cap. I asked several retailers and they said that only guns from Asian countries comes with the cap, North American countries don't, and only rifles not handguns.

The reason I ask is because aside from gaming, I found the gun to be a nice prop to go with a costume for the multi-genre convention (Fanexpo) once a year. During the convention, I saw quite a few people with airsoft guns, some with orange cap and without. While there are police presence, they don't seem to be stopping every person with a gun to make sure its not real. However occasionally they did ask to check some people's gun when it didn't have an orange cap and looked too realistic.

My question is what are my choices when it comes to getting an orange cap? Alternatively is painting the barrel orange effective enough? Thank you.

Curo March 6th, 2012 11:26

Did you know you can paint the flash hider on a real gun orange? Well the cops actually do.

Don't bring your airsoft in public.

VicViper_Mk2 March 6th, 2012 11:44

well I'm not actively waving the gun around as if threatening to shoot anyone, and I only take out the gun at the convention space (kept in a duffle bag on the trip over) The general public is pretty accepting probably because they've seen a lot of weapon props at conventions, and a mere sight of someone with a gun won't automatically results in "he's got a gun, someone call the cops, screams"

Of course, there are times where I have to take the gun with me outside the convention (no place to leave it around) to get food. I sling it over the shoulder and have the magazine removed, can't be a threat like that.

Having an orange cap will reduce the chance of cops stopping me for an inspection, and more than likely to stop them from pulling their real gun on me. I'll play by the rules, but I certainly don't want to lose my life over a misunderstanding.

Ponche March 6th, 2012 11:48

Of course, there are times where I have to take the gun with me outside the convention (no place to leave it around) to get food. I sling it over the shoulder and have the magazine removed, can't be a threat like that.

your just looking for trouble when you do that.your f-cking crazy dude.

Curo March 6th, 2012 11:49

Ever hear of the father who got arrested cause his daughter drew a picture of a gun? Welcome to society, never expect people to not be stupid.

FYI insert Mag, pull charging handle, remove mag. Now there is 1 round in the chamber. Just cause there is no mag it does not mean it is safe.

VicViper_Mk2 March 6th, 2012 12:09

in the event that someone does freakout because of it, I just prove to them that its not real (nor functioning, magazine is broken to the point it barely stays in) I'm not out to hurt people, got nothing to hide. Its just a prop, plain an simple.

Is there any company that sells colored caps as accessory? Since some rifles comes with it, but almost never with handguns.

Curo March 6th, 2012 12:10

Before or after your hauled down at gunpoint?

ap27 March 6th, 2012 12:16

There was a guy last year who was at another convention and decided to sling his M4 on his back and walk outside. I believe 5 separate 911 calls were made. He was surrounded by cruisers in minutes.

I was at last year's fan expo. There was an airsoft P90 for a Stargate impression and another M4 for a MW2 Ghost impression. If theres the slightest chance that something can go wrong (and in this case there is), its not worth it. It could be scared kids or overprotective parents that can set something off. Seriously, dont do it.

Drake March 6th, 2012 12:20

Hey weebo, I think everyone just made it clear you shouldn't bring airsoft guns out in public.

Just because you wanna be pigheaded about bringing to a convention once a year, you want to risk fucking things up for the rest of us who are in the sport all year round;

Just because there are other retards already doing it doesn't mean you should contribute to the problem.

If you really want to bring something bring a prop made from a NERF gun or at least a clear airsoft from CT/walmart (and leave it clear so it can be easily identified as a toy). Like people already explained, there's people getting arrested by overzealous cops for way less than this: don't be stupid.

HKGhost March 6th, 2012 12:30

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Originally Posted by VicViper_Mk2 (Post 1617125)
Hi guys, got a question regarding the orange cap/tip on airsoft. Now I've heard Orange cap/tip aren't necessary in Canada as its strictly an States tradition. Which might explains why most retailer sell their guns without any.

Long ago I bought a G36K by SRC. The rifle came with a orange cap. I asked several retailers and they said that only guns from Asian countries comes with the cap, North American countries don't, and only rifles not handguns.

The reason I ask is because aside from gaming, I found the gun to be a nice prop to go with a costume for the multi-genre convention (Fanexpo) once a year. During the convention, I saw quite a few people with airsoft guns, some with orange cap and without. While there are police presence, they don't seem to be stopping every person with a gun to make sure its not real. However occasionally they did ask to check some people's gun when it didn't have an orange cap and looked too realistic.

My question is what are my choices when it comes to getting an orange cap? Alternatively is painting the barrel orange effective enough? Thank you.

To answer your question, yes the orange tip is an American law which state that all airsoft guns to have an orange tip. Canada doesn't have that kind of law or anything which state we need to paint our gun tip any colour, rifles or hand guns. Now having your gun out in public for everyone to see is a HUGE no no and highly recommended that you don't. But because this is part of a costume and a lot of people will have some type of weapon, I think it should be ok. BUT, only have it out to be viewed while indoors at the convention and in costume. Other wise, it should be left in a case/bag and out of sight from the general public. Having the orange tip will reduce the chance of a soccer mom freaking out. But not having it is not against the law. Remove the gearbox if you can and leave the mag out until you are taking a photo or something. Be safe and don't ever point the muzzle at anyone or thing while walking around. Keep it pointed down is the best bet. Just don't be stupid.

JonsM4 March 6th, 2012 12:34

Make a paper mache gun.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5298/...9f9151e4ed.jpg

HKGhost March 6th, 2012 12:34

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Originally Posted by JonsM4 (Post 1617179)

Did you make that?

JonsM4 March 6th, 2012 12:36

Nah.

Drake March 6th, 2012 12:37

Google "paper gun models" too

JonsM4 March 6th, 2012 12:39

Hi hello, not sure if you introduced yourself or not. How old are you?

VicViper_Mk2 March 6th, 2012 12:47

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Originally Posted by HKGhost (Post 1617175)
To answer your question, yes the orange tip is an American law which state that all airsoft guns to have an orange tip. Canada doesn't have that kind of law or anything which state we need to paint our gun tip any colour, rifles or hand guns. Now having your gun out in public for everyone to see is a HUGE no no and highly recommended that you don't. But because this is part of a costume and a lot of people will have some type of weapon, I think it should be ok. BUT, only have it out to be viewed while indoors at the convention and in costume. Other wise, it should be left in a case/bag and out of sight from the general public. Having the orange tip will reduce the chance of a soccer mom freaking out. But not having it is not against the law. Remove the gearbox if you can and leave the mag out until you are taking a photo or something. Be safe and don't ever point the muzzle at anyone or thing while walking around. Keep it pointed down is the best bet. Just don't be stupid.

and that's exactly what I do. I pose with it at a convention, while taking all the precautions to make sure it doesn't look like I have the intention to endanger another.

Yes I understand there are guns made out of paper (saw some made out of cardboard too) but I have neither the skill nor the time to undertake such endeavors.

And I'm 26 (well above the legal age to buy airsoft)

JonsM4 March 6th, 2012 12:53

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Zero Tolerance for Weapons at Anime Expo®

You may not carry or possess any weapon, openly or concealed, or in an inoperable or unusable condition at any time at or around the convention space, including the surrounding parking lots. Any weapon, firearm, knives, curio, relic, antique firearms, and all forms of ammunition are strictly forbidden. Even items that may be legal for you to own or carry are not welcome at Anime Expo® and are to be left at home.

Weapon: This includes, but is not limited to: firearms, ammunition, rifles, shotguns, hand guns, BB guns, pellet guns, cap guns, air-soft weapons, paintball guns, blow guns, tasers, laser pointers, laser-aiming devices, or similar laser devices, explosives, knives, swords (including katana and other martial arts style swords), daggers, sword canes, switchblades, bali-song (butterfly) knives, axes, hatchets, pole arms, staffs, clubs, wooden or metal bats and paddles, bows, arrows, martial arts weapons, brass knuckles, chains, whips, pepper spray, mace, whips, projectile items, toy or real, or any item that may infer it is a dangerous item or one which would place another in apprehension of immediate harm.

Weapons purchased at Anime Expo® must be kept wrapped and are to be immediately removed from the premises following purchase.
The end.

scottyfox March 6th, 2012 12:58

Or, since he was talking about something called FanExpo, and cause I'm bored and helpful...

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Please read this entire policy before attending Fan Expo Canada
Prop weapons will be allowed providing they are composed of:

- Cardboard
- Foam
- Wood
- Other light materials

Prop firearms will only be allowed if they cannot be mistaken for real weapons.



The following items are forbidden:

- Functional firearms
- Realistic replica firearms
- Functional projectile weapons
- Sharpened metal-bladed weapons
- Explosive
- Chemical weapons
- Blunt weapons
- Instruments which cause excessive noise
- Whips



Rules and Guidelines
- All weapons are to be holstered, sheathed or slung in appropriate manner.
- Weapons will not be drawn or displayed outside of convention function space or in any public or crowded area except for specific photo op areas.
- Convention Security and Fan Expo Canada Staff members reserve the right to inspect weapons at any time.
- Horseplay with weapons will not be tolerated. All persons involved may be penalized depending on the nature of severity.



Failure to adhere to one or more of the above rule will result in expulsion without refund. Keep in mind, if it’s illegal in Canada, it’s illegal at Fan Expo Canada!


Deadpool March 6th, 2012 12:59

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Originally Posted by VicViper_Mk2 (Post 1617196)
and that's exactly what I do. I pose with it at a convention, while taking all the precautions to make sure it doesn't look like I have the intention to endanger another.

Yes I understand there are guns made out of paper (saw some made out of cardboard too) but I have neither the skill nor the time to undertake such endeavors.

And I'm 26 (well above the legal age to buy airsoft)

As said before: "LEAVE IT HOME!!!!"

JonsM4 March 6th, 2012 12:59

Enough said, Drake lock her up!

Juke16 March 6th, 2012 13:15

Pretty vague for Anime North though. http://teahouseofthemaplemoon.yuku.c...tions-Question

Something about plastic being allowed, but not full metal...

VicViper_Mk2 March 6th, 2012 13:16

except I never planned to go to Anime Expo, so it doesn't apply.

frankly I don't see how some people can be afraid of someone in a costume posing for a bunch of photographer. In exchange for possibly getting in trouble, I get some realism in photos, play it safe and I get stuck with a paper gun. You can't have it both ways. You can be mature about it and use it properly to great effects, or you can dick around with it and get in trouble.

JonsM4 March 6th, 2012 13:20

Alright, since your stubborn like that. Go right ahead. I'll be tuning in the 6o'clock news, don't say we didn't warn you.

Deadpool March 6th, 2012 13:21

In life, you always pay for the morons who ruin it for all the others.

Deal with it, it'll be like that for the rest of your life.

scottyfox March 6th, 2012 13:26

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Originally Posted by VicViper_Mk2 (Post 1617223)
except I never planned to go to Anime Expo, so it doesn't apply.

No, you said you planned on going to Fan Expo, whatever the hell that is. And I posted *their* rules on weapons. So fine, listen to people here or don't, no one cares. But if you try to break the convention's rules that are clearly stated on their website, well then that's just idiocy.

VicViper_Mk2 March 6th, 2012 13:42

I apologize for my stubbornness, but please understand that it was only because I wanted to find a solution to keep it safe and to use it at the same time. It wasn't meant to give airsoft player a bad rap.

this wouldn't have turned into a rant if you guys would just help me with the cap problem. Why do you think I want to get the cap in the first place? the purpose of the cap itself is to let law enforcement to know its not a real gun (and if they need further inspection that's fine) doesn't that tell you that I want to abide by the safety instead of getting misunderstood?

Before I got the airsoft, I watched people who take them to convention. only after observing a ton of people being able to go about their business without much trouble did I finally bought my airsoft. it wasn't because I wanted to appear as another bloke on the block with a gun looking for trouble, I just thought it would make a great prop for costumes.

Nevertheless, you guys are right on some points. I will definitely look into alternatives before diving head first and land into a bunch of trouble. Thanks.

Curo March 6th, 2012 13:46

Real guns might have orange crap too.

Its a usa law. It doesn't mean jack all here.

Eien March 6th, 2012 13:57

At least put it in a concealed gun bag or some sort...

Jaelommiss March 6th, 2012 14:08

My personal rule for anything is to ask myself what would happen if I took it to an airport. If I'd be able to safely walk around the terminals without any issues, then it's probably fine. If the object would get the airport locked down or result in a SWAT team being called, then I know to keep it in a locked case and out of the public eye.

If you have to ask, then the answer is no.

hollywood... March 6th, 2012 14:18

VicViper,

You asked a question and were given answers - sorry they are not the ones you had expected, but they are the correct answers nonetheless.

Act stupid with an airsoft weapon and get treated accordingly.

Drake March 6th, 2012 14:24

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Originally Posted by VicViper_Mk2 (Post 1617223)
frankly I don't see how some people can be afraid of someone in a costume posing for a bunch of photographer. In exchange for possibly getting in trouble, I get some realism in photos,

frankly I don't see how some people can be so stubborn.

Lets explain it a different way for you: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK. It matters what the COPS think, it matters what the people at large think, it matters what the Expo organizers think -- BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WILL GET YOU (and potentially airsoft in general) IN TROUBLE.

If you wanna take pictures do it in your basement or in some other secured, non-public venue.


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Originally Posted by VicViper_Mk2 (Post 1617239)
this wouldn't have turned into a rant if you guys would just help me with the cap problem.

No. NO. FUCK HELL NO. Don't try and deflect blame on us you whiny little spoiled brat, this turned into a rant because you wanna do something boneheaded, people told you not to, you didn't get the answer you wanted to hear and you're not mature enough to fucking DEAL WITH IT.



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Why do you think I want to get the cap in the first place?
Orange muzzle is worthless in Canada and you knew this from the time you made your original post.


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the purpose of the cap itself is to let law enforcement to know its not a real gun
You're on the wrong side of the border.


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doesn't that tell you that I want to abide by the safety instead of getting misunderstood?
Understand what I just wrote above and what everyone else has been telling you for the past 2 hours: LEAVE IT AT HOME.




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Before I got the airsoft, I watched people who take them to convention. only after observing a ton of people being able to go about their
business without much trouble did I finally bought my airsoft.
So by your logic if you see some people selling crack on the street corner and they don't get busted after a couple of weeks, it's a good idea for you to go out and start selling drugs too, right?


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it wasn't because I wanted to appear as another bloke on the block with a gun looking for trouble, I just thought it would make a great prop for costumes.
Of course it makes a great prop, we're not arguing that. We're saying don't bring it in public.


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