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I was just at the Barrie zombie walk, hoping not to see any retards with their airsoft guns in public, I wasn't so lucky. What is wrong with these players, it's bad enough that we have issues with keeping airsoft out of the media in a negative way but it seems like these guys go out of their way to ruin the sport for everyone else that does what they are supposed to with airsoft guns and that is treat them like real steel guns due to the realism.....Do not show up at a zombie walk with you aeg, loaded with empty mags and batteries in, that's right these retards were dry firing their guns in public, pointing them at civilians! The moron didn't even understand me yelling at him "what the hell are you doing you retards" from across the road during the zombie walk (this is when they were dry firing at civilians, just dumbassery in general) he thought I didn't know where to go "telling me to follow them but go around", these colossal idiots shouldn't have airsoft guns.
Here's a list of guns in view of the public Masada ACR black M4 P90 a few canadian tire clear soft guns one of them being a shotty MP5K MP7 All black loadouts, the P90 wielding moron was armored as if he were SWAT! That's right I'm a player and easily recognize these guns. My team and I wouldn't even conceive of anything so idiotic, anyone who's played with us knows this. We struggle so hard to keep our sport, players have to step up to the plate and get these idiots out of public view! Wear your loadout if you wish but leave the guns at home, you're not helping the community at all. I could have gone to the papers with this but I don't trust the media, at least here everything stays as I write it! Here are some pics of the retards in question! Enjoy, please ban these players from your field, these are grown ups that have less common sense in their whole head than there is in my little finger! |
Am searching for something to say, but am coming up empty..........
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???? You'd figure some people have an ounce of common sense... Guess not. |
This shit is bound to happen more and more since it's available everywhere now.
For at least 5 years now, random people talk to me about airsoft. Before that, I would mention it and no one knew about it. |
I had brought up the subject to them and they said the cops have seen the guns and didnt care.
oh well. http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9251/10292011200.jpg I had bought plastic toy guns for the walk and opted to leave them in the car. |
still you have nice pics of a 69 barracuda!! the rest is just pain to my eye....
don't even point any type of gun/replica/paintball/nerf/airsoft/bbgun/ at me or anyone else, even in a zombie walk, those guys are "high" on something but surely not on airsoft....... |
in the words of Andrew Dice Clay, unf%cking believable!
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jesus christ...
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It's only a black eye if this makes the media, and soccer mom association.
However this problem can be sorted internally, by the community itself. But yes I don't think they thought this over at all. Sometimes common sense isn't so common. |
In the end people will do what they want, regardless of how ignorant and ill advised it is. All we can do is set a good example and hope if rubs off.
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Anybody can purchase airsoft without being on ASC. Yesterday I met an airsofter that wasn't even aware that ASC exists... |
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Masada had battery in was marked with green tape, USP side arm marked with green tape and holstered, shotgun clear and left in vest M4 had battery in marked with green tape, shotgun left in vest MP5K was a toy dart gun from the dollar store. No mp7 present G36 was orange tipped P90's were orange tipped Quote:
Each person involved in this issue has been spoken to regarding this I am not condoning these actions. |
so I guess it's reach that point where even the authorities don't care.....This just flat out encourages the idiots such as these ones.....
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As a community we deal with them. The idea for a weapons check has been submitted to the Organizers. Barrie Zombie Walk may be a weapons free zone next year. Also I'd like to add, the airsoft guns where not the only issue brought up to the Organizers. There was a man walking around with a real farmers Sickle. |
we spend years freaking out on people who make mistakes like this and now, it's perfectly acceptable....oh my........
mp7 was present I saw it, granted not part of that crew, I don't like to see guns in public period because I don't want to lose the sport, apathy isn't the way to go....There should be a certain responsibility to be better than the rest. |
Looks like next year I will be running a Weapons check booth (coat check type thing)
Just to keep all this crap from getting worse |
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I personally think that any of these guys are found out to be on the ASC they should be banned. They are so lucky that the cops didnt arrest them or worse.
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i see one who works at sir games a lot wow cahier with an aeg / buggering our sport. R.I.T.Z. call me .
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That looks like a pretty lame zombie walk...
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nothing compared to Toronto or anything like that. but not bad now focus on the actual topic |
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Common sense is nowhere near as common as the name implies.
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I don't see how banning them from the community or games can solve anything, these are the types of foolish actions that belong to foolish people who would do stupid shit to begin with, with or without the community.
Now let's look on the bright side... it's not like they picked any old day of the week to do this by themselves, they went out with 300 other costumed people pretty much on free candy day. I'm not saying it was a good choice overall, but it could have been worse. |
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Were any of the replica zombies seen by the public as real zombies?
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That's ZombieCanada.com's problem.
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If we know who they are, let's say good riddance as soon as possible, and be done with them.
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What's wrong with black guys in airsoft? This is Canada!
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I'm glad to see such a positive response in dealing with these guys, with this I know that at least the bar is set, and that these guys will possibly be made an example of. I was furious when I saw it, glad to see the community coming together to solve a very real issue.
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Is there something in the drinking water? Might want to look into that.
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As a former Club Admin in one of the largest Airsoft clubs out here in the west, we have had to deal with punkass fools such as these from time to time, our policy is "zero" you do anything to bring the image of our sport down in the eye of the law enforcement or public, you will be flamed, banned tar and feathered, there is no room for fucktards that want to ruin what so many for so long have had to fight and scratch for "acceptance in the community". the fact that airsoft guns can now be purchased so easy makes this job even more important, clubs have to do everything in their power to stay united on this lack of respect and distance themselves from the losers, if the law and community sees that we are making a very conscious effort and not just shrugging our shoulders and shaking our heads, they will be more forgiving to the sport instead of throwing poop on everything to do with airsoft, all people will see then if it ever came to legislation is, "ah get rid of these nuisance toys" Flame them, Ban them, Take pics and post them, dont be afraid to turn them in, our right to play this game and own the guns is only as strong as the commitment to keep the sport respectful, there is no way we will stop all stupidity but the obvious stuff in front of our face has to be dealt with firmly. |
This may be the copious amounts of alcohol in my system....
...but I would suggest grabbing their airsoft guns out of their hands and spiking them into the concrete football style just to make sure they're not real. Seriously, it's the only way to be sure. Any airsoft guns in an open public setting that are not part of a registered, verified display ought to be treated like that. Just to be sure. Safety, you know. |
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There were a couple of guys in Winnipeg's zombie walk.
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thats not airsoft thats a paintball gun
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Also, what's the point of a zombie walk? Or zombie anything. It seems lame.... |
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Whats the point of concerts its just a group of people enjoying music The zombie walk was for fun, also it worked as a food drive. |
Mmmm... zombie roundup and barbecue! :)
Seriously though, any ASC members should know better. We should be held to a higher standard than the idiot kids we bitch about whenever they take springers to school and make us all look bad. |
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I know exactly who all the guys in the pictures are. I will be making some phone calls monday morning thats for sure. It astounds me how some people think. Thank god it was during the zombie walk as another other time or day would have brought swift action against them.
I cant count how many times I've had people pull up to my store and carry in an Airsoft Gun uncased to be repaired. I lost my mind on a guy who pulled up on a busy Sat, opened his trunk whiped out a full metal AK, SLAP IN THE MAG! and come walzing into the shop asking if I'm the guy that fix's the "guns". I lost it on him and he assured me "it's OK, I do it at home in Newmarket all the time". :0 Needless to say he was shown the door right after I handed him a garbage bag for his "Gun". |
These are the same people who attend zombie walks.... and aren't even zombies... what do you expect?
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No common fucking sense. I hope these idiots aren't present at any games I attend in the future.
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Given that the cops weren't all over it...it was a good thing.
Stupid? Yes. But perhaps attitudes are changing. I noted toy guns (cap guns like I used as a kid, and caps) in a Zellers yesterday. Maybe the pussified generation is waking up. |
Perhaps instead on all this negative crap you should consider this, hiding airsoft under a rock has never and will never promote it as a sport. If people are used to seeing it then it becomes a non issue.
Real steel owners have the same problem hide everything so no one is offended and look where it has gotten us. Now this may not have been the brightest thing to do but THERE WAS NO ISSUE, with the general public the issue is with members of this board over blowing the situation. If in fact as was indicated the police had no issue, then you need to re-consider your response. Suggest that getting clearance from the event organizers and police before hand would be a good idea. And as had been mentioned this board is not the global clearing house for all things airsoft in Canada, so relax take a considered approach and forget this sky is falling reaction. |
What's with you and this logic of yours, anyhow? ASC can unite on no other front better than on the lynch mob front. You and all your calm logical response shenanigans will simply have to find somewhere else to exist!! We'll have none of your approach here mister!!! ;)
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I am speechless. If this was in the Lower Mainland, B.C., these two individuals would be in jail right now.
I once asked a local cop five years back if "airsoft" was "legal". He said he'd ask his superior. A week later, his answer was: "Yes, they are okay to own but, if you walk around with it in the streets I'll shoot you!". (I had a stunned face for a few seconds) He then follows up with, "You wannna know, well I am telling you". Point taken. Most of us here consider ourselves as "experts" in identifying what type of guns we see. We all know how M4, or P90 looks like, right? But if I was walking in the street with my 2 year old "Trick or Treating" and I come around the corner and see several males walking around with M4's and M16's, while one of them is aiming at someone or something (as seen on the second picture), you think I'll stick around and assume that they are airsoft? No! I will not risk finding out the hard way with my child. HHHEEELLLLLOOOO!!!! Columbine? Virginia Tech? Any common sense at all? Any? Really? Did these two decided to leave their brains on their computer table when they woke up that morning thinking that it was okay because of the event? |
The law may not have paid any attention this time around but I believe it is important for us as responsable airsofters to put out there that actions such as this can not be accepted. If we don't take a proactive stance it sends message that "hey it's ok to take your gun for a walk about town". I believe it would only be a matter of time before it would be front page news because some fool points a gun at an officer in fun or is seen pointing a gun at a crowd and gets the 9mm cure. Better that the message goes out right now that it is not all right and will never be allright to do what these fellows did, by doing so it might save a life later or at the very least keep the sport on the right side of the law.
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In response to the quote below, I understand perfectly why you feel this way, but consider this (BIG IF HERE) if the individuals gone to the organizers and gotten their ok, and then cleared it with police possibly with some form safety indicator such as the green tape they used or something similar.
Why should it be an issue, you have "zombies" shambling down the street why not zombie hunters. There is nothing inherently wrong with what they did, other than possibly breaking a local bylaw. You should not be afraid to show off the gear associated with your sport, even if your sport is airsoft. These are in the last and simplest definition toys, ok big boy toys but toys all the same. Real many steelowners have the same attitude they go through ridiculous lengths to hide the fact that they have firearms and use them. I am not referring to hiding their firearms from the criminal element but rather their neighbors and other law abiding citizens. This is where a small special interest group who hates guns and anything to do with them has brought us. Anything to do with firearms is evil even toy ones. Quote:
This last one comes down to the simplest thing of all, Darwin in action, you can not stop incredibly stupid actions by otherwise rational persons. Pointing any type of weapon real or otherwise at an armed individual, be it police or an armed thug will result in life threatening injury or death. Yes it will make the news but the simple reality in most cases is suicide by cop. You can not more stop these things from happening than you can stop an earthquake or other nature disaster. Some people are simply wired wrong or just plain wired. And remember unless you point that weapon at the police they will tell you drop it. If you choose to lift and point at them that is your personal conscious choice. Quote:
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What if there was a bank robbery in progress nearby and the description were; males, heavily armed, wearing all black.
Yaaaa......not so good. |
What if there was a real zombie outbreak during the zombie walk?
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If, if if. The best practice would be to keep the guns at home. There are acceptable times to have the guns in public(read; not flashing them around) such as a tradeshow and such. The idea of zombie hunters at a zombie walk is novel for sure but can lead to trouble. Most people I know treat their airsoft guns like RS guns, in cases at all times, kept away from kids etc. The locals in those pics may have been okay with it but just as sure as we're on here debating this, there's bound to be some bleeding hearts out there going all kentucky pussified chicken on a similar thread on the soccer mom boards.
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... why has nobody brought up the obvious point that if one was a criminal, wouldn't the smartest thing be to just paint an orange tip on their gun?
(Warning: RANT) Stupid shit like the stories mentioned in this thread are what will kill the sport. The other day at a field in Ottawa, I saw a guy dry-firing a GBB from his car at one of the players. After tearing him a new asshole, his excuse was that "my window wasn't all the way down, and the gun wasn't loaded with BB's". I tore him ANOTHER one pointing out that *I* didn't know that, wasn't wearing goggles, and neither was the guy he was shooting at. If *one* BB was still chambered, that could mean the end of someone's sight. We need to remind the next generation of airsofters that airsoft guns are still GUNS, and should be treated as such. They don't have explosive charges, but they still fire a projectile, and can do serious harm, on OR off the field. The number of times I've seen barrels waved across people's faces lately has been climbing, and it's starting to piss me off. (ENDRANT / ENDTANGENT) ... glad nothing "bad" happened out of this, but I hope the people involved now understand how badly this could have gone. ... I like the idea of spiking the guns though ^_^ TOUCHDOWN THURMAN THOMAS! TOUCHDOWN THURMAN THOMAS - YouTube |
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to people saying its not so bad because nothing happened, I say dont be stupid... |
Experienced Airsofters don't notify their neighbors and/or local branches of Law Enforcement agencies about games on privately owned land because it's fun.
This is dumb. Really dumb. Anyone involved in this really ought to wake up. This is scary Real Life™ stuff. You may have gotten away with it because Police knew and trusted that it was all part of a nerdy zombie thing, but they definitely were not happy about it. All Airsoft vs. Public stuff aside, you really wanted to risk the future of a Food Drive? Really? |
I wore my stuff on halloween as a 'soldier fighting zombies' whilst giving out the candy. My guns stayed inside and out of sight. This is not a good idea, no guns in public fake, real or otherwise!
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Really !? You might want to take a long hard look at the firearms laws and their history in this country in the last 20 years and then re read what you wrote. There is nothing illegal about owning and being using firearms, all unregistered firearms can be technically tossed in the back seat of your car and driven to the range. You can clean them on your front porch if you so wish.
All this hiding of things to avoid annoying or frightening someone has never protected a damm thing. This no guns in public garage is what happened when the real steel owners tried to placate the anti-gun crowd. Either we have freedoms or not, voluntarily giving them up is not a good plan. Just to make sure I am clear pointing firearms or airsoft at people is a BAD IDEA, but having airsoft out at an organized event should not be. The airsoft community has to stop living in fear, and find ways to promote this sport as safe, reasonable and fun. Quote:
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My two cents(actually 4):
1- There are no guaranteed rights to possesion in Canada, especially when the possesion has the potential to cause harm to others. So our "right" to own firearms or replica firearms or airsoft is based on public opinion and how that makes the public in general react, and then how the government reacts to it. So why do something stupid like pointing a weapon at someone in public? Just because its a zombie walk doesnt make it all right. By that logic on rememberance day I have full right to dress up in my WWII kit and points an unloaded gun, airsoft or otherwise, at people as long as they are either dressed as a Nazi or kinda look German. Educating people about airsoft is not the same as cramming it down their throats. And what these people did isnt even close to education. 2-A radio station in Edmonton has a yearly Halloween party and some loser phoned the station on air asking if it was ok to bring his airsoft gun as part of his costume. The DJ went to great lengths to explain to him what a bad idea it was, after telling the listeners what airsoft was. Even he knew that what looks like a weapon in public, even during Halloween is a bad idea. 3-I have a blade called an iaiato(i think I spelled it wrong) that is used mainly for iado, a Japanese sword art where the first strike is in the same motion as drawing the blade. To practise this you use the iaiato because it has real size and weight dimensions, but the edge is only sorta there, just enough to know if you drew it alomg you skin while drawing the blade, and the point is also somewhat dulled. Who would think its a good idea for me to walk around town with it? I mean after all I know its not real? 4-Stop defending them. What they did is stupid and it is a good thing nothing bad happened. A woman in Edmonton once used the cops to commint suicide by pulling a partial clear airsoft on a cop. How many more incicdents like that happen and the police organizations that already dont relly like airsoft will push to get rid of it |
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while I agree on some points that in an organized event that cops said they were fine with, all it takes is 1 person to call it in.
Let me tell you folks about how gunphobic people are in this country. A few years ago, I was hanging out with a bunch of friends playing some games, and the topic of airsoft guns came up and how great a replica they could be. I mentioned that how just a few weeks earlier I had just come back from vegas and shot a bunch of guns. The guy says, hey, want to see it? I want to know what you think on how accurate it is in the look/feel since I shot the exact model it was based off of. Next week, the guy brought it, and and were admiring it, he was showing the slide function (it was a co2 beretta) He was racking it, showing where the co2 went and where the BBs went. It was obviously empty and incapable of firing. One of the guys was freaking out in TERROR. he kept asking us if we could put it away, and he was definitely uneasy even being around the thing. So all you need is one of these guys out there to see you on the street, on your porch, in your back yard and make a 911 call and you have cops showing up and pointing the real thing at you. We all know it shouldn't be like this and that it's ridiculous that people treat them as such, but the reality is that the general perception is that 'looks like gun, sounds like gun = gun = we should be scared' I mean you have people calling 911 because they saw a kid pick up a toy gun wasn't even airsoft in a van on the highway. The girl didn't even point it at anything she just picked it up. People are irrationally terrified of firearms. |
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Should we be worried that AGE VERIFIERS are ok with guys doing this.....Not all granted but that doesn't help with the situation, age verifiers are those that the community trusts to verifier players of age so that they also have the opportunity to buy guns from other players on ASC classified forums....Don't get me wrong, if Billy is 18 and is friend Bobby is 16 and wants an airsoft gun and Billy buys it for him there's nothing the age verifiers can do about it but again that fact that we apparently have degrees of infractions within the community worries be.....
It should be simple, only take your gun out at the field, when carrying it make sure it's in a bag or case! No margins for screw ups.................. |
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Believe me, it's happened in Canada over far less realistic k-mart nerf knockoffs. When you invest as much as some of the people in this community have in this sport/hobby, you'll find yourself more protective of it and resent the stupidity of people like this. And if you cannot see the problem with carrying what looks like an assault weapon in public, then you need... I don't know. Go register at paintballcanada.com and play with a piece of clowncum-launching plumbing equipment or something. |
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was a nice car though in the second picture likewise I'm wondering why those people are on the ground they must be playing along I spose |
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Looks like a gun, should be treated like a gun. (regardless of who's perception) I got no less than 3 barrels waved in my face at OP: Biohazard this week, and those were walcrap / crappy-tire springers, because people don't treat airsoft guns like GUNS. In public - airsoft gun should be in a case, locked. At the field (and not engaged in combat) - Barrels down, gun cleared and on safe (or even better, mag out and battery disconnected) It's *our* sport. We *chose* to play with extreme realism. Gas blowback, black / painted parts, etc... We want it like this because otherwise we're the fucking rainbow brigade playing paintball. We need to step up and be safer about it, for everyone's sake. |
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Could not have said this better:wink: to the people that are supporting the mentality that this is all ok! "dont be scared and dont hide your guns"!! holy fuck man, give your heads a shake, obviously these people dont belong to an arisoft club and dont think our safety and handling rules are worth shit! cus that's how we treat our Airsoft guns at the clubs, like they are real, like they can melt your eye ball into a runny egg if it by a accidental discharge at 400fps point blank, and how accidents happen! Now as for Real steel, chucking into the back seat of your car and go off to the range, clean it openly on your front deck, sure I know all about the real steel stuff too, been hunting since 1972 (yah before any gun tote'n laws) also spent 12 yrs in the military (still in Reserves) and other years in security, I have seen way more than people just cleaning their mossberg 22 on the porch, I also know a little about fighting for rights to bare arms etc etc. Man the hillbilly days of hanging your guns in the gun racks are long gone, cleaning your shooters on the porch with your wife beater shirt and a can of Duff beer is also long gone, too many bleeding hearts and too many video tapes and police files to back them, Oh sure you can still do it, but the ethics have changed in the eye of society. Airsoft needs to be treated like a firearm, are they a firearm....nope...but they can severely injure and they look real enough to me, that if I was on patrol anywhere and someone drew down on me with 99% of the airsoft guns in the world to day, it would be a double tap 5.56!... be a realist, dont hide, just respect and promote. And dont kid yourselves, if every police chief in Canada had their way, there would be no realistic looking Airguns of any sort, but if we want to fuck with it all, the next step will be like the UK and other parts or Europe, Orange Muzzle, Orange Body, or was it bright Blue? good times. |
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As for transporting nin-restricted firearms, this is a very touchy area, I knew a guy who thought the same as you, and yes, you can transport them unloaded, unlocked and out of a container. The individual I mentioned before got nailed by the law, on the grounds that when his vehicle stopped moving, it was no longer a case of "transportation of a firearm", at this point, the law argued that it was "storage of a firearm". There is no federal law regarding where you can use a firearm, when or in what manner. There is no federal law in where they can be carried. Depending on the area, the tolerance towards them may be higher. When I was in some buttfuck nowhere place in Alberta, we were "popping" ground hog or some other kind of pest. We ran out of ammunition, we piled into the pickup, 4 of us in the bed, 3 in the cab, rifle out in the bed with us. We drove into town and parked the truck outside the local "Big store". The owner slung his rifle as the doors of the truck were busted, at this point I suggested some of us stay with the truck and the rifle, I was assured "Na, it's fine" and we proceeded into the store, purchased ammunition and left, not a fuck was given. On the way out we passed one of the LE Officers for the town, he asked what we were up to, we told him, he told us to have a nice day. Neither the cop, nor anyone in the store gave a shit. The cashier, in fact, asked us how the gun was performing and if we'd reccomend he buy one. Nobody cared, they're used to seeing guns and that kind of lifestyle. Try that in a city and see where it gets you. When I went to highschool, one of the kids in my class had a belt with super fake looking bullets on it, some student called the cops to report it as he was concerned the kid with the belt might have brought them for a school shooting. We all got to see armed response. This is Canada, while some areas may be an exception, behaving properly is enough to put gun owners in a bad light. It's idiots like you, who insist on doing stupid shit, like openly brandishing a firearm or a replica of a firearm, based simply on your interpretation of the law, whether it be a correct or false interpretation, who get a bad image, more criticism/debate/trouble slapped on for the rest of us. The imbecilic actions of one individual hurt us all. Living smartly and thinking before we do something (What you refer to as living in fear) is what has kept the airsoft community existing. On more than one occassion, we've had this kind of shit happen. At one of the airsoft conventions, some idiot decided to walk in public with his M4 on his back, cops showed up. Luckily for us, there was 0 issue arise out of it. Though the individual was given the option of having it seized on the spot or getting a gunbag from the convention. Too bad for him, his idiotic behavior earned him a refusal to allow his entry. The correct response from the host in my opinion. I don't care if the law said I could walk my SVT-40 down the street in downtown toronto, common sense and basic judgement say it's a bad idea, don't do it |
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GOOD LUCK ON THE OK!! City of Barrie By-Law 1.4.0.0.0 FIREARM - means a barreled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and for the purpose of this by-law shall also include an air gun, pellet gun, BB gun, paint ball marker, cross bow, long bow, traditional bow and compound bow or anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm. 2.0.0.0.0 FIREARMS 2.1.0.0.0 No person shall discharge any firearm or any class or type thereof as defined under this by-law within the City with the exception of the following: 2.1.1.0.0 a peace officer discharging a firearm in the course of carrying out his duties as a peace officer; 2.1.2.0.0 a Municipal Law Enforcement Officer of the City in the course of carrying out his duties of destroying an animal; 2.1.3.0.0 a shooting competition or display, provided Council has, by resolution, given its consent to the holding of such competition or display; 2.1.4.0.0 activities carried on at the premises commonly known as the “Armouries” utilized by the Department of National Defense and located at 37 Parkside Drive, Barrie, I know it say's discharge but any gun capable of firing a projectile should be handled with more responsibility and concern and care and not flaunted in down town Barrie. I'm a Licensed real steel gun collector and take it seriously. As it says in the manuals or on the boxes of the airsoft guns we buy, NOT A TOY!! so why flaunt in public? |
Its only my personal option but it is not a light hearted matter and we should discuss and learn from this and strengthen our club/team/field rules off this incident. After all anyone over the age of 18 should know better. Tragic accidents happen every day over stupidity.
Is there really such a thing as Accident. Or human error. All us Airsofters really truly don't need the publicity in this way. |
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