Shouldering gun while wearing plates
 

Just wondering how people do it, I got the pantac IOTV and stick the SAPI, sSAPI in fits awesome. Problem is I can't seem to get a good place to putt the buttstock against. Either I look completely retarded and shouldering against arm or the buttstock will always be sliding away.
Any suggesting to how to fix it?

Keep in mind I just did a quick test on a fold stock AK (will be using m4 when I get it)

The relatively long LOP on AK stocks precludes users from getting a propper cheek weld when wearing armour/plates. You might have to use an adapter that'll let you mount a collapsible AR-type stock.

EEEEEEWWWWWW!!!! Blasphemy!!!!


All kidding aside about the aesthetics of an AR stock on an AK, this is actually a feasible solution, but not many AK users would willingly take that route.

lol when you use an ak you don't need armour :cool:

lolz
square your shoulders to target, bend your knees, put your rifle stock either in the center of your chest or the right side of the plate, and squeeze it back into your plate.
Makes you significantly more accurate, and it's the best way to use a rifle while wearing plates since now your plate is facing incoming fire instead of your side.
If you don't wanna use the stance, then don't wear plates that don't protect you from BB's :)
http://cdn.wn.com/pd/e7/03/6bd980f86...54e_grande.jpg

AK's were designed before the word "ergonomic" was invented :)

Use the armour to back up the gun.. no need to get the stock in the pocket .. and less worries about cheekweld... the plate will transmit the recoil to the body.. but much dispersed.

Or .. do the # 1 airsofter solution.. get a gun with a folding stock.. and just shoot it folded .. like a good PBer should.

Like Thundercactus said.

But in combat, you will not often get the chance to adopt a good range drill position as you have to be moving and adapt to your obstacles and cover. When I can't use a proper position, I try to use my arm to "shoulder" the stock. In odd positions, it work well enough.

You can even cant the rifle sideways to shoulder it and keep a sight picture.

Shouldn't use an AK with M4 suited gear anyways! :D

I find my Romanian AIMS stock fits a little better with my PACA than my full stocked AK74 ever did.

This.... LOL

If you don't want a adjustable stock, you can use this:

http://www.ebairsoft.com/fixed-stock-short-p-1392.html

Dimitri

I keep my rifle halfway between my shoulder and center-chest, slightly leaning forward when at rest, I kind of 'collapse' my body around the rifle to reduce my size. Anyway it works fantastic for accuracy, especially in CQB. And It's the easiest way to switch shoulders for shooting left around obstacles. All around, it just works better for me than the traditional shoot off the shoulder stance.
I had forgotten about this, and didn't realize it until I started teaching other people about it, but it's a REALLY difficult stance to maintain at first since it uses many muscle groups you don't normally use. I can hold it for a 4 hour scrim now, but most new people can't hold it for more than a few minutes before their back and arms get tired.

It's a friction and skill issue.

Friction - get something "sticky" on the rifle butt

Skill - Practice with your load out

+1
One of my heavy loadouts is a full blown CIRAS with Shoulder Pauldrons. I have no problem shouldering armalites, AK's MP5's and many others. I have noticed a painful difference when using the M14 with the stock flap up. With it folded and closed, it works fine for me.

A trick my SGT in the FC learned me (long time ago) is to put the stock directly on your shoulder. Move away a little your vest then replace it over the tip of your stock. Just like if you were trying to hide your airsoft under your armor. It makes everything a lot more comfortable.

I read this several times and still don't get exactly what you were trying to say it doesn't make any sense ...

Because i'm currently quite small (5'5 140lbs) my CIRAS is a little disproportionate on me even when between the smallest size (which pretty much chokes me) and the 3rd smallest (which is almost right).

Because i used Mr.Hitmans "plates" technique, i just trimmed down my plates to where my stock is going to sit against my shoulder.

Might not work though if your using any other type of fake plates.

If you can, get a retractable stock (This is why the C7A2 has a retractable stock), and sit it directly over your right lung. Not over your shoulder.
Your chest must be perpendicular to your rifle (People have the HARDEST time doing this, I have no idea why)
And bend your knees like your skiing down a hill.

The whole reason for everyone using retractable stocks these days is because in this stance which maximizes your armor profile, you can't see through your scope or iron sights worth a damn if you have a full stock

Exactly... I'm just confused to why people can't shoot with a regular stock. Im also short and i have never had a problem. Maybe take some gear off and get more comfortable BB's wont penetrate your clothing. I've been in the CF for years now and i have used every weapon they have. Not once could i not shoot or did this stop me from any tac ex's. retract stock or not.

as thunder said, stick it right next to you lung and lean forward maybe that will help, if not rest it on the tip of your shoulder... if not then get a retract stock.. i have mine fully retracted, i hate long stocks, not because i cant shoot but because its easier and more maneuverable.
:)

Get DragonSkin, bends enough to get the shouldering just right in any position :D

Ok it might be a bit expensive for airsoft, and too for others. Regular shouldering on the chest and without chicken wings works very well. If you have a stock with a patterned butt plate like an M4A1 stock, VLTOR EMOD, etc it helps a bit. My trainees like to put it more or less on the edge of a plate to have an additionnal support.

It also doesn't work.

Dragonskin??!! They're awesome if one wants to be the fail-body-armour-wearing-guy.

anyone who thinks dragonskin ISN'T the best armor out there is an idiot.
Do proper research guys.
It's grossly more expensive, and measurably heavier than current SAPI/kevlar combos, but it's classified as level 5 body armor. SAPI plates by nature can't achieve level 5 protection.
One ceramic plate isn't nearly as effective as numerous small ones.

It's capabilities aren't in doubt, it's the adhesive's ability to survive temperature extremes and solvent exposures etc is. I was not clear enough. There's more to the Pinnacle fiasco....if you do more proper research.

It's not like a vehicle where they recall them once they realize the lawsuits cost more than the recall, you don't think they've fixed these problems? lol

ThunderCactus summed it nicely.
Yes they had some issues on first batch, now they have the best armor ever made. I wouldn't get rid of it ever.

Plus I don't consider the American issuing system to exactly be the least corrupted ever... completely the other way around actually.

Guess I am an idiot. And I call bullshit on the 'One ceramic plate isn't nearly as effective as numerous small ones.' I have seen multiple hits by 7.62x39 on ceramics, and a ceramic plate stop a 7.62x54R, both soldiers in question were uninjured and they returned fire after the hits. Thanks, I will stick with my lighter, proven, SAPI/kevlar stack.

Dragon Skin FAIL

There's an anti-Pinnacle Armor conspiracy to rival the Kennedy assasination!

So, who's got Dragonskin armor? No one here right!?

So learn to use SAPI plates!
(o:

Could you please take some masking tape and put a large X on your window.

Then stand in plain view and wait; thanks!