JG M5-A4 vs. Broxa MP5
 

BEFORE ANYONE FLAMES THIS THREAD, I WOULD LIKE TO RECONFIRM THAT THIS THREAD IS IN THE N00BIE TANK -- YES IT IS.
Now, on to my N00BIE question.

Hey everyone,

I'm new to airsoft and am looking to get age verified, so I can get access to the classifieds, but in the meantime I've browsed various retail sites, including BuyAirsoft.ca, 007Airsoft, CHiX Airsoft (anyone have additional information on this one?), and various Canadian airsoft dealers.
It is needless to say, I presume, that anyone new to airsoft would not be able, financially and emotionally, to hand over a couple bills at the click of a button. Being from Taiwan, I know very well that the prices of the Canadian-legal counterparts are inflated by around three times or even more; I'm not about the complain about a sport I am thinking about getting into, but once again I am merely stressing the amount of consideration (financially) when buying. All in all, I'm being "cheap", as of now, even if I acknowledge that "what you pay for is what you get".

Anyways, I was looking at the Jing Gong M5-A4 (listed on chixsoft.com for $230) in contrast to the MP5 BROXA EVOLUATION (listed on shooftsoft.ca for about $230 as well) which seem like they are affordable, introductory smg's, even though I found out that many don't consider the MP5 as a primary after snooping around here in the forums. On top of that, I've noticed that the JG is listed to shoot 340-400 fps, while the Broxa shoots 400 fps. Are these numbers accurate?

So -- when it comes down to aspects of durability, reliability, and (potential) upgrades, -- here it comes -- which is better?

I would probably go with the JG MP5 to be honest, I've heard about Broxa's being hit-or-miss.

Your ultimate best bet would be to save up more money and grab an MP5 made by Classic Army. They are far more durable and sexy than the two guns you are comparing, and will probably last you longer.

Go with the JG MP5. It will have much better internal quality then the Broxa. The Broxa is an overpriced clearsoft gun. Yes it is a good project gun, but if you're looking for something to start you into the sport, buy the JG if that is all you can afford.

I started with a Firepower XM8, bought an Echo 1 G36 gearbox, put a TM G36 hop up in, and a Madbull Tightbore... Wasn't a fun experience. Yes I knew my gun, but I also spent alot of time and money ordering parts and waiting for them to arrive and installing them.

The JG MP5 series should suit your needs well.

I still recommend getting AV'd and checking out the classifieds before you buy it though.

Have any of you handled a JG MP5? They are COMPLETE GARBAGE! I was shocked at how bad they are. A teammate of mine gamed a broxa for a while with no problems. Other than it being clear its far better than the JG. I have experience with both and JG mp5s are crapola.

Getting AV does expand your choices so that's always recommended.

Not only do you get access to retailers who only operate on ASC but also used classifieds where there might be package deals or $150 fixer guns or even $3000+ guns and everything in between.

However out of those 2 choices I'd say the JG is the better deal (however this is judging by their whole lineup not specific guns). As well FPS isn't everything if you're just looking at that, in fact it's as easy as a $10 spring upgrade/downgrade to change it. In fact it's a horrible way to gauge quality. Would you rather get a Jaguar that has to be in the shop for 3 days for every day it's out on the road or would you rather have something that's a bit slower and less sporty but is reliable for ever except for the occasional replacement/maintenance/tuning.

Thanks
 

Thanks for the quick responses,
I understand that price ultimately has a great impact on the quality of a gun; I would buy a CA MP5 if I had a.) the money and b.) the intent to immediately immerse myself in airsoft. I'm still in school (UBC, actually :p) and it isn't likely for me to be able to jump into the sport.
But anyways, thanks for the responses, I will definitely order when my paycheck comes, but can someone spare some information on ChiXsoft.com?
I definitely see a conflict of interests as everybody has their own opinions and preferences; I guess I'm just going to have to go with my conscience then :).

JG is garbage.... I've seen more Aftermath mp5 last longer than JG. But I wouldn't get neither of those gun. If you get AV'd you can expand your options and pick from ICS mp5, CA mp5 or G&G mp5.

JG is a Chinese based brand; not to be offensive to anybody, but being Taiwanese I would know that what's Made in Taiwan is better somewhat in quality compared to what's Made in China. But hell, people used to laugh at things "Made in Taiwan"....lol

The Aftermath isnt made in Taiwan, its made in China.
Classic Army would be the way to go if i were you.

EDIT: Unless you were talking about the ICS/G&G

Was talking about JG in comparison to G&G, CA in response to cjboi :).

don't buy from shootsoft, look up the terrible reviews they get.

Chix is up to you, theres another recent thread with someone asking about their credibility. apparently they don't answer some emails, and have slow shipping.

You know what you should do then is contact Optix or Kampfer. They should both be in the general area and get you totally AV'ed.

There's also always the option of borrowing/renting. These are usually done privately between players and costs might be from free to buying them a 6 pack or $20 or something.

It's a lot more economical. As well the field you'll likely want to go to is Panther which is a bit far (from UBC main campus) but from Coquitlam or even SFU it's a lot closer.

Also don't forget to check out PoCo military (in PoCo which is like a hop skip and a jump away (they also have a store in Langley)).

About ChiXsoft, I sent an inquiry earlier today and received a response not too long ago. The demeanor of the response seems decently accountable, so I think I will order from them sometime soon.

EDIT: Thanks L473ency, for the info. Regarding borrowing/renting, I personally like to have a sense of ownership when it comes to my hobbies; I have nothing against borrowing things, but I guess I've been raised to try to earn things with my own power. I actually live on campus :( but I do come back to Coquitlam every weekend. Hopefully after exams are over I'll have the chance to dwell into airsoft a little more.
Again, thanks for the info.

About getting AV'ed, I've sent Kampfer a pm but have not been replied to yet.

So, I've been continuously browsing airsoft retailer sites even though I know I should really wait to get AV'ed so access to the classifieds would be granted upon me, and despite the negative feedback on shootsoft.ca, I found the Aftermath 300MP5es (aka. Lycaon?) on sale for 70 bucks (with shipping and whatever totaled at around 110). So I decided that it's going to be my first gun and hopefully it performs to suit my needs (N00BIE) alright and it seems like it's a great bang for the buck. It would be great if I could get some feedback on the buy.

PS. I know my decision of buying the gun; being Aftermath, a clearsoft brand probably takes a shit load of criticism, but it's my first gun and it seems to me like a wonderful deal at just about $110 paid.

NO! Read the reviews first, from what I'm reading you should avoid that model like the plague. The worthwhile Aftermath's to get are the Kraken and Broxa ONLY, everything else from their lineup is pretty much crap.

Also, the Aftermath isn't that great of a brand to start with but if you're on a tight budget, have the mechanical aptitude, money for future upgrades, and time then it'll be OK for starting out but definitely not the best.

First thing that you pretty much MUST do when you get the gun is to take it apart, clean out the crappy grease and relube with something like FinishLine Teflon grease or White lithium grease (Dunbar Lumber should have it and is pretty closeby if you don't want to go that far otherwise HomeDepot is where you'll want to go). Reason being is that someone once said "It's like someone shat low quality grease all over the gearbox except in the places that it's actually important". Then after that a spring downgrade to an M110 is also recommended so that you are for sure under the field limits.

PS: Don't forget to join Op-For Airsoft that's where local games should be announced and stuff.

Thanks for the reply,
Well again I must say, the gun's price was originally close to 200, neighbouring that of the Broxa and Kraken but was on sale for only 70 (I'm a sucker for deals) so I guess in a barrage of excitement as a cheap person I hastily bought it :( (oops?). I found a review of it on ASC and it deemed the gun relatively adequate(?) but I am definitely thinking about touching the internals and modifying it mildly. As for the downgrade of the spring, on Op-For and today's Game Day (for example) the restrictions say 400 for aeg's; is there a reason you recommend this spring replacement?

EDIT: WOW I think I just made a bad buy...apparently the Aftermath Stunt300 is NOT the same as the Lycaon...wow what do I do..N00B move.

Sometimes the best way to learn is to screw up. That's the exact same way I learnt that in stats when you're graphing things the independent variable ALWAYS goes on the X axis.

Anyways.... I guess you could just play with it until it breaks. The thing is that breakage is seemingly random so you could potentially get a "cherry" and it'll last for over 9,000 rounds but the lemon rate for guns like that is significantly higher and you might be lucky to get more than 100 rounds out of it (or it could be broken out of the box or last 500 rounds).

That said, IMO it's not worth it to replace the internals in that gun and it's probably better off as a parts gun rather than fixing things up.

As for the spring downgrade, remember FPS limits are just that LIMITS not a goal. It also puts less stress/strain on the internals which should slightly help with making it last longer. As well not all chronos read the same and there can be variance from +/- 30 FPS if using a cheap chrono (worst case, just look at some of the videos on youtube about some chronos from the same company that are the same model have variance of 15 FPS) or +/- 5 FPS if using a good chrono. That downgrade will also ensure that if the chrono is reading things 30 FPS high then you should be safe.

EDIT: Check this video from AirsoftGI out, they compare a Madbull Chrono against a "prochrono" (used in real steel apparently): YouTube - Airsoft GI - G700 and Madbull Chrono Test

Also note that FPS doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. It will increase your total range but effective range (where you can guarantee that you will be relatively accurate) is moreso a matter of hop up bucking/unit, inner barrel, and consistent compression from your piston/cylinder. Also, using .25g BB's when playing outside is also recommended, it will lower your FPS and total range but effective range is increased due to it being less affected from cross wind (remember, the concept of momentum from Science 10 or Physics 11 where heavier objects require more force to change it's vector).

PS: Go to PoCo Military, they'll get you sorted out.

I'm not sure why everyone is hating on JG. The JG MP5 would be miles ahead of the Aftermath Lycoan.

JG makes a decent gun now.

Wow I really shot myself in the foot there...although it probably wouldn't hurt all that much with a weak-ass piece of junk like the thing I just placed an order on. I've contacted shootsoft via email and hopefully I can sort something out and work a refund out.

CA is still made in China. CA's external is rock solid grading it with an "A". I cant say the same with internals

IMO I rather get G&G or ICS mp5 and not CA right out of the box, out of those three.

How bad is the Aftermath Stunt mp5 anyways...is it the same as the cyma cm.023 or similar?

Those guns are crap. How can you possibly say they are good? JG g3 are great, their mp5s are shit! Yes I have owned one. I just can't believe you think they are good...

Crunchmeister couldn't kill his JG MP5. after the mechbox cracked and dropped by about 10 fps (maybe more not 100% on that amount) he TRIED to kill it, would sit there dry firing it till the battery died but the one crack was all that would happen to it

JG GUNS ARE DECENT, 1000X Aftermath quality 1/2 (about) the quality of high end guns

Do you have any reasoning for this conclusion? Also see the post above me.

If it was just a random lemon you got, it isn't representative of every JG.

Styrak has a JG MP5 for sale. Get age verified and buy from him. His prices are parallel to none. Also, Broxa is a sh*t gun.

Waiting on the AV...no details can be disclosed to me before I'm AV'ed?

I have a JG MP5 coming to me on wednesday from chix . I'll be doing a review and stress test on the stock internals once I get it.

Which model? I do realize that all the JG MP5 models are internally identical but I'm just wondering what your preference is.
M5-A4 or M5-S6 which is better?

neither is "better" it all depends on what you like the look of. I wanted a full stock and dont care for the integrated sound suppressor so i went with the A4

I recommand you to contact optix if you wish to get av'd sooner. Kampfer is very busy man to be honest.

Reasoning? The gun feels like a water gun with an mechbox in it. I love JG stuff just not their mp5. W/e doesn't matter to me.....buy the JG.....see how you feel when you get it...........

I have the Mp5-A4 with me now and it doesn't feel like a water gun with a mechbox. Slight exaggeration on your part. If you are a full metal lover then I can see why someone wouldn't be impressed but for a mostly plastic it has good weight to it.

Well, bluntly speaking, if I had many bills and to spend on a full metal and were on the most obese budget on earth I'd be glad to call a JG a watergun with a mechbox too :).
@miserlou: I've contacted Optix and he's given me his contact info already. Just need to find time to meet up with finals coming up in a week :(.

There's my JG MP5 review from almost 3 years ago.

JG MP5-J Review

Pay close attention to post #49 on the second page. That describes what I did trying to kill this gun and couldn't.

Here we are a year and a half after Post #49, and amost 3 years after the initial review. The gun is still going strong on the stock JG internals, still shoots a consistent 345-355 fps on 0.2g, and is still incredibly accurate at ranges such a short barrel shouldn't be able to hit that accurately. Note the gearbox, spring guide, cutoff lever and gears were replaced, but everything else is stock in terms of the compression parts, and it's still one of the most awesome little AEGs I've ever had the pleasure of owning. I've gamed it myself in summer, winter, rain, etc, I've loaned it to others, and everyone who's used it absolutely loves it. Those internals are 3 years old, have seem probably close to 100k rounds, and are still going strong.

All that being said though, JG is still a Chinese brand. In the last couple of years, JG have made enormous strides ahead in quality control. But the possibility of a lemon is still there. Then again, you can easily get lemons in any gun at any price range, from a $250 JG all the way to a $2500 Systema. The advangate of the JG is that even if you have to replace a fair portion of the internals, you're still ahead financially and with better parts than buying a TM.

just did a quick chrono of the JG MP5-A4 and it was averaging 360fps with 0.2g's. Only complaint I have so far is the front hand guard moves up and slightly side to side. Other then that it seems well built. Will do more testing and a full review soon

Thanks graff,
I'm looking forward to that review :).
I'm just about to order a M5-S6 from Chix.

Why not an Ak. The Kalashnikov 60th aniversary edicion looks like a solid gun in my opinnion.

I'm about 5' 6-5' 7ish; not exactly the tallest guy. I'm looking for a more compact, beginner platform, and personally I just like the Mp5.

I suggest ics brands. Good bang for your buck and a good starter gun. I didn't regret my decision

Good weight? Ha! I started with TM back in 01, so no I am not a metal loving plastic hater. My g3 is plastic, my m733 is plastic, it is of no difference to me. This gun weighs nothing. If you are happy with it then I envy you.

Aren't TM's like double the price of JG's? I'm poor :(.

I'd say it weighs around 5lbs (i'll weigh it tonight) I find 5lbs to be heavy enough. According to what i read the real MP5-A4 weighs in at 5.6lbs. So if it is 5lbs then they aren't too far off from the real deal.

Anyone know where Chix is situated anyways?

TM sucks dont even buy it. You have to upgrade the internals if you want more FPS and they come with plastic receiver.

As I said before, being from Taiwan (born but not raised), I realize the consistency of quality is better when it comes to Taiwanese brands but considering my level of experience and familiarity with airsoft, I presume A Jing Gong is a decent place to start off at.

I never said to buy a TM, it was just my example for not hating plastic.

halifax

Thanks
Also graff, did you receive a tracking number upon payment? I wonder how long it's going to take to get here.

right, you cant see my review of chixsoft because you aren't age verified. I had to email and ask for the tracking number.

I haven't had time to meet up with Optix yet, with my first final being next week (I should really be studying). I did send an email earlier today to Chixsoft requesting a tracking number but they haven't responded yet. I'd love to see your review of Chixsoft.

My reviewhttp://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=114840

So I've ordered my JG M5-S6 from chix and it should be in transit soon; it would be just dandy if I could get some suggestions as to what I should do to maximize the longevity of the gun from any of you with experience and expertise. From what I've read around ASC, I'm supposed to begin with changing the bushings and re-lubing with silicone lubricant?

Nothing, until something breaks. If you REALLY want to/need to open the mechbox, then metal bushings and cleaning out the chinese lube and applying your own might be a good idea.

Alright thanks, but pretty much o.k./satisfactory out of the box right (no chronic deficiencies, usually)? Also, someone suggested a small 7.4 LiPo, what about that?