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Brian McIlmoyle September 2nd, 2009 22:48

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1057907)
well theres this thing goes no one fight for your rights and freedom, sooner or later it wont be free. Basically a retailer needs to import one and specifically want it seize with appeal (by actually declaring as airsoft with muzzle velocity) After a model wins, it wouldn't be hard to import many as one goes through legally the rest should, otherwise you could technically file a harassment complaint

Every import of every object is handled on a case by case basis.

To establish that a gun shoots over 407 it has to be tested by the RCMP firearms testing facility. It takes them about a year to get around to it.

you have no right to import replica firearms. the CCC clearly establishes that by law. However there is no law against importing unregulated firearms such as anything that fires a shot or projectile over 407 fps but below 5.7 joules muzzle energy.

But you have to be able to prove that the thing you want to import IS an unregulated firearm.. and that means it has to be tested.. they don't accept any documented evidence.

some people have had items seized as replicas and appealed based on the "capable of causing significant injury" clause .. Once tested and found to shoot over 407 fps but under 5.7 joules Muzzle energy their items were released having been proven to be "non replica" Unregulated firearms.

kullwarrior September 3rd, 2009 02:12

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Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1057914)
some people have had items seized as replicas and appealed based on the "capable of causing significant injury" clause .. Once tested and found to shoot over 407 fps but under 5.7 joules Muzzle energy their items were released having been proven to be "non replica" Unregulated firearms.

Can you give me the court appeal case Link? or the Number?
I havent seen this yet, the cause significant injurt clause I've seen was with a KSC USP firing 350fps. The appealler was saying it could cause eye injury, but still lost to CBSA since Federal follow the 407 w/ .22g or 430fps w/ .2g rule

Skladfin September 3rd, 2009 02:30

hahaha mass import extremely hot guns and you will get them two years later. sounds like a plan!

KoolAidMan September 3rd, 2009 08:00

Hows the cool down affect the rate of fire on the m4 doing a full clip on propane noticable. Realy liking these GBBR that are coming out now

lokisama September 3rd, 2009 20:54

Man
If Airsoft were Gundams, Cansoft would be its limited special edition...

Just a random thought.

Mitchell12 September 3rd, 2009 20:58

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Originally Posted by lokisama (Post 1058478)
Man
If Airsoft were Gundams, Cansoft would be its limited special edition...

Just a random thought.

Limited gay edition.

kalnaren September 3rd, 2009 21:24

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Originally Posted by Batchokookies (Post 1056120)
Soo... why pay the extra 100-200$ just to get a full black/tan one when the CanSoft one is the same material... seriously i'd rather spend 10 bucks on a can of paint. but I guess I'm not a gun snob...

I guess, in the case of the SCAR where the lower is polycarb/plastic anyway, it may not make that much difference. In the case of a gun that actually is full metal, it makes a ton of difference. That doesn't make me a gun snob. I didn't get into this hobby to collect clear guns.

But as I said, my main argument is the pricing practices -not the gun.

oblivious September 4th, 2009 00:21

My god...It's like a dream come true...

Brian McIlmoyle September 4th, 2009 00:28

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1058035)
Can you give me the court appeal case Link? or the Number?
I havent seen this yet, the cause significant injurt clause I've seen was with a KSC USP firing 350fps. The appealler was saying it could cause eye injury, but still lost to CBSA since Federal follow the 407 w/ .22g or 430fps w/ .2g rule

Court was not involved..and is not in most cases

The court is only involved in cases where import offences are committed by importers and the defense entered is +407

Most of those cases don't go well, as the issue is license infractions

The cases I know of are individuals who have items seized by CBSA and they appeal the seizure... CPSE then send the item to the RCMP to be tested .. and then release it after testing proves its a non replica , unregulated firearm.

MeatStick September 6th, 2009 07:50

So has anyone seen this gun in the Canadian version yet? And is it available for sale in country?

Ronan September 6th, 2009 13:07

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Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 1055212)
IMO, what pisses me off is that we've consistantly been told by retailers the reason full black guns are expensive in Canada is because they're a bitch to import. Then these "completely legal to import" halfbreeds come along... and they're nearly as expensive. Looks a hell of a lot like "getting ripped off" from a consumer point of view.

It is, 90% of the reseller are ripping you off. Once 'cansoft' start being mass produced left and right, you will see a drastic change in price.

The market is pretty monopolize, theirs a odd seller here and there with good prices but generally its not pretty.

Give it time and they will pop up more and more and prices will be cut by a lot ;)

SHÖCK November 15th, 2009 06:59

Well, these have appeared and they are selling with a 100% markup of the street price for these, even factoring in $50-$80 shipping.

I would take one for $500 but $600 and the need to buy $50 30-round mags on top of that is aggravating when it should be legal to import and thus the double markup is hard to swallow on the basis of covering seized items.

This is the only Cansoft I would ever consider as the actual Scar also has a polymer lower so it wouldn't bug me so much. I'm just disappointed in the pricing.

KenC November 18th, 2009 23:27

Shock,

Sadly for the scars and also UMP series, it is the upper receiver that needs to be clear. That is why you haven't seen any body in Canada carrying the clear lower SCARs yet.

Ken

Shirley November 18th, 2009 23:30

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Originally Posted by KenC (Post 1107013)
Shock,

Sadly for the scars and also UMP series, it is the upper receiver that needs to be clear. That is why you haven't seen any body in Canada carrying the clear lower SCARs yet.

Ken

Ken,
CGA Retailer has them in stock.

pusangani November 18th, 2009 23:53

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Originally Posted by SHÖCK (Post 1104671)
Well, these have appeared and they are selling with a 100% markup of the street price for these, even factoring in $50-$80 shipping.

I would take one for $500 but $600 and the need to buy $50 30-round mags on top of that is aggravating when it should be legal to import and thus the double markup is hard to swallow on the basis of covering seized items.

This is the only Cansoft I would ever consider as the actual Scar also has a polymer lower so it wouldn't bug me so much. I'm just disappointed in the pricing.

oh yah eh? and the street price includes getting them to make a clear plastic lower body custom just for you too right?

and if it's so legal and easily accessible, just import one yourself then why don't you?

Not to mention, we took a big risk, knowing the the upper is the truly restricted part, but hey, sometimes the risk is worth it.

I work for a store, the store's owner did all the legwork in HK to make these guns possible and if it were left to him, they would cost alot more to make back his investment, but being a part of the community and knowing the value of things, including the cost of a full black/tan SCAR I settled on the price that it is today.

If you don't like the price, then don't buy, but don't talk shit out of your uninformed ass about my products or my business practices.

Sunil R.


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