IMO, what pisses me off is that we've consistantly been told by retailers the reason full black guns are expensive in Canada is because they're a bitch to import. Then these "completely legal to import" halfbreeds come along... and they're nearly as expensive. Looks a hell of a lot like "getting ripped off" from a consumer point of view.

Redwolf has a review up on WE SCAR

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?reviewID=235

man i cant wait.... but i will, the fear of pot metal has got me very wary of this product

"black" guns are not a bitch to import they are for the most part Illegal to import.

Even clear guns end up expensive because there is a tiny market in Canada so most retailers are buying at retail prices .. marking up and reselling.

Import tax is paid on these guns unlike smuggled "black guns"

well there's always the 407 fps in .22g rule or 430fps in .2g no one really used.
(All the contestant have below 370fps in .2g, and only 2 claims fps at 350 it could be fatal to the eye and thus no replica. Court went with supporting CBSA simply on the ground of 407 fps is what RCMP said)

Be I agree, the market is so small. I just hate the fact that the retailers use % markup instead of a fix rate for custom order. (which wouldve encourage people for higher end) Finally if anyone could convince an aftermarket peron to produce clear lowers for systema it would be great. Im only using systema because they're expensive already, the custom plastic reciever would only reduce the price (last time I've ask 2008 Max Systema costs ~$3k Supermax $3k+

Soo... why pay the extra 100-200$ just to get a full black/tan one when the CanSoft one is the same material... seriously i'd rather spend 10 bucks on a can of paint. but I guess I'm not a gun snob...

Will most likely be a bit more than 100-200 more for the non-Cansoft version.. More like 300-500 more

Although the over 407 fps is the letter of the law.. in practice CBSA will seize anything that they think could be a replica. You can appeal and request testing.. and you may get your gun in a year's time once they get around to testing it...Most people don't really want to wait a year to get their items.

CBSA refer to D-19 (memorendum) it's their law that's what they go by.

You can download it on their website.

Cansoft goods come with their own baggage of extra work and additional costs, although not the same as importing "black guns" there are still more costs to Canadian importers of these goods than the standard Hong Kong company. Don't forget that online prices can be deceiving as well as people will tend to over charge on shipping in order to be able to advertise lower prices.

So, not to change the topic off legalities for too long, any word on a release date or something?

I'm not saying the costs aren't there.. I'm just saying the reason we've been told black guns are expensive no longer exists, but the cost is nearly identical for halfbreeds. So my argument is, and has been since they first appeared, why bother? I can get any black gun I want with patience and $150-$200 more than halfbreeds... so I just don't see the point.

If they are Can-legal, why can't anyone just order one from a HK retailer, pay the shipping and tax and still save a hundred bucks?

Because there is a minimum order of something like 300.

well theres this thing goes no one fight for your rights and freedom, sooner or later it wont be free. Basically a retailer needs to import one and specifically want it seize with appeal (by actually declaring as airsoft with muzzle velocity) After a model wins, it wouldn't be hard to import many as one goes through legally the rest should, otherwise you could technically file a harassment complaint