Hm... Looks like my 400FPS AK equipped with a tightbore is outranged by a pistol as well :lol:
ILL9MIL, don't know where you get that range/accuracy man, but from what I've seen/experienced poorly adjusted hop up will get you nowhere at long range during games.

A well designed hopup can add alot of accuracy, but they are few and far between in airsoft. A few models do an excellent job, most add quite a bit of innaccuracy.
For game ranges at reasonable FPS, a hopup is the only realistic way to maintain decent accuracy at range, without being silly and lobbing your shots.

If you're looking for medium or short range, hopup is just getting in the way, but you need to make up for it's absence with alot of power.

It just depends what angle you're coming from. A 450fps pistol wouldn't even be permitted at most games here, so it's kind of moot if it has good accuracy, and I'm not sure I'd like to run up against it in CQB all that much. So it may be more accurate, but race guns aren't for gaming. I think you guys are talking from different ends of the spectrum. Everybody try and stay friends.

if you guys are talking about FPS(feet per second) its the speed of BB's at a certain distance. compare two AEG or GBB with the same inner barrel lenght. one upgraded and stock. I will not tell the difference. its up for the noobs to find out.

I use enchanted bb's sprinkled with fairy dust.

Your sewing machines don't shoot that far because, well the're made for sewing.

8O

:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...hanted_bbs.jpg

sorry i couldn't help it.

My C7 isn't set up for high ROF or any type of support "sewing machine" role, its set up for accurate fire, as a sort of tac. marksman. It is built for accuracy, and without hop it wont make 250+ feet, I still declare shinanigans on you.

HAHAHAHA Jugglez that was the funniest shit Ive seen in a while

C7 guy, just because your sewing machine doesnt sew fast, doesnt make it any less of a machine made for sewing. BTW my pants are ripped and require your assistance. :hammer:

damn, guys... someone get a fuckin' metre-wheel thing and measure out 100 feet.

then measure 300 feet.

I'm positive that there's no plastic BB in the world that weighs anything under a 'whole helluvalot morethana' gram that could even come REMOTELY close to a stable shot to 300 feet.

Consider a .22 cal LEAD PELLET, travelling some 650 feet per second. It takes a NOTICEABLE delay to travel the full length of my local shooting range, and at that range (330 feet) it has dropped AT LEAST 5 feet from the point of aim. Accuracy is marginal at best.

I call RAGING SCREAMING BULLSHIT, if you think your "race guns" can push performance better than that, with airsoft projectiles.

Grab a ruler and start walking. Before anybody starts talking about the performance of their guns, I'd like to hear that they've actually gone ahead and MEASURED the distances they're talking about. It's such a misleading bunch of crap the way people throw phrases like "At 100 feet" around...

I also call "dumb thread".

The simple answer was: Hicapa gets remarkably good range for a stock GBB.

Yes, with propane, it seems to outrange some AEGs.

It probably has to do with a combination of factors. Hop-up and FPS may have something to do with it, but in general, we're not physicists, so beyond our "best guesses", we're not really sure why!

From a bench with a .177cal pellet and a rifled barrel with an FPS of around 500, its almost impossible to tag a popcan with any degree of accuracy out to 300 feet. You're trying to tell me you can do this with a smooth bore barrel and with a bb. I don't think so.

I regularly shoot 10m (approx 33 feet) with a couple of target pistols (webley tempest, and Weihrauch HW40PCA) and thats hard to do. At 10m I can get a 2.0" ctc on average when I am having a good day. With an airsoft pistol, forget it, I wouldn't even bother measuring the ctc. Now you're telling me you can get a ctc of around 2.0" with an airsoft pistol at 300 feet, because a ctc of 2.0" is basically a pop can being hit consistently. You are very mistaken. The air pistols I shoot are far more accurate than any airsoft pistol, they both shoot around 500fps; they both use .177 lead pellets with steel rifled barrels. What you are describing is not possible. It would be hard to hit a popcan consistantly with a scoped .22lr bolt action rifle at 300' (a football field) unless you are a skilled marksman. At 10m with a mid grade pellet rifle I can shoot a .75 ctc over 10 pellets. At 300 feet it goes out the window.

Ya, I agree with Vipa. FPS is a factor of range. The other factors may include barrel length, barrel tightness, BB weight, wind speed, hopup etc.

But FPS is a major factor.

what's with all this hopup bashing, 9mil? it adds a lot to the game. it's fair to say if youre playing airsoft, youre playing with a gun with hopup because it IS a step forward. if range was so insane without it, wouldnt airsoft sniper rifles not have it? it may make the shots slightly less constant but at least they go forward instead of arcing, making it overall easier to hit people and that's what counts.

I will use whatever means to make my gun shoot farther, harder and more accurate. All guns are different and have different requirements to achieve decent results.

Some guns work better with a hopup. If your guns don't need hopup then have yourself a merry christmas and a happy new year. I still have a hard time believing they are that accurate at 300' but who cares what I think. You can make the claim and I can choose to think it's 100% bull plop.

Well said.

how about this no hop up it can shoot at 300+ meters accurate. using enchanted BB's.......har har har.... :mrgreen:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/Hodni/jaded50.jpg

That's an awesome gun damage I dream to build my own like that one day.