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I wasn't being a smart ass, I thought maintaining a grouping at 33 feet tight enough to hit a receiver as a target was pretty amazing, given the size of a receiver. I was commenting on the accurized properties of the silicas. You're rather fast to take offence to something that wasn't even posted that way. I would be interested in your pictures, please post them. |
Sorry man I am on edge. Had all 4 wisdom teeth pulled at 9 this morning. I can text them only through mms. No comp just a sexy iPhone. The Body was hit and cracked near the trigger guard, magwell (unsure if this was because it was hit twice near the place or if it's just a fissure crack that expanded on the second bbs impact) and the third was on the upper *edit* part of the lower receiver *end edit* (still the same clear cyma plastic body painted black. I am pretty sure only the sender pays the mms charge so it shouldn't cost you anything.
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Ok ok, stand by gentlemen, I have a TM plastic lower kicking around. I will do shoot this receiver with 3 rounds that I have here. 2x with styrene .28, 2x with .28 Silica, and 2x with .40 Bastards.
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I'd be more inclinded (this is an assumption) to thinnthat clear lowers would be less durable so a plastic quality tm would be nice. Sacrecrow if you don't have an mms capable phone if you give me a day or two I am sure I can find a buddy who I can mms than he can post them here or pm them to you. Let me know.
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Err, for those who are reusing these BBs...I thought BBs microscopically deformed after they impact something? Why is it okay with these ones?
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Err, plastic bb's deform, these being silica and all and being harder n all...they don't
As for reusing, most if not all said that they were reusing as plinker bb's |
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Silica behaves differently than styrene during impact. PM Scarecrow and he can give you the specifications on the crush strength, of styrene vs silica.
DIY test: If you happen to have a MAX sample bag or Scarecrow's Silica's crush them in a set of vice grips (wear eye protection, put the BB and grips in a baggie), then do the same to a standard styrene BB. Not scientific but the difference is night and day. |
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Maybe you should step the fuck back dude. Jay is trying to be impartial about HIS product. He didn't say you were lying and was simply making a joke. Perhaps you should practice not coming off as a smart ass yourself. |
Lol actually it was "immature ass" before he edited it out, but he explained himself already, no need to clutter up the thread with arguments, stay on topic gents :)
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No Hopup therefore these are unaltered, random shots at the plastic lower. Please Note that I am an official BB Bastard rep, I am mainly posting conclusions, unaltered in any form for the purpose of this discussion. First shot is of the TM Plastic lower receiver pre any shots. http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7...ardtest001.jpg .28 Plastic, White, Styrene BB from aprox 10 feet. NO HOP. http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/273...ardtest002.jpg Outlined in RED to show the impact marks http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/512...02outlined.jpg .28 Clear tempered glass BB from aprox 10 feet. NO HOP. http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3...ardtest008.jpg Outlined in BLUE to show the impact marks. As you can see, the top right shot, the indent is a little deeper than the plastic. Of course your eyes go right to the bottom where the second shot hit just above the magwell lip, and the pictures show the result.. http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/6...008outline.jpg http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9...ardtest012.jpg .40 BB Bastard, Beige, BB from Aprox 10 feet. NO HOP Outlined in BEIGE to show the impact marks. The first shot hit just to the right I assume of the magwell chip from the second SILICA round, and just took some more out of it. The second hit below the M, and left a beige mark. I found no real impact dents from the .40, they seemed to break appart very easy from impact. http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7...013outline.jpg These are my findings and results for the test. As I stated, unaltered, 10 feet, no hopup and just iron sights aimed. So pretty much random shots. The reason I chose 10 feet is that is the standard minimum engagement range for airsoft games, therefore that would be the minimum allowed for most shots to occur vs a plastic receiver. Draw up your own conclusions! However they are pretty straightforward. |
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I've got a spare un-usable but great physical condition TM plastic body as well. If I had picked up some of the clears at the convention like I should've, I could've done another test just to have 2 independent tests of the same nature done.
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Considering he slammed the body with a hammer multiple times and it did not break (the video is up here somewhere), and the TMs I feel like I could break with my hand.. Or at least a small strike with a hammer, I would agree with Scarecrow on that.
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Silica Information
Silica (SiO2) is one of the chief constituents of the earth’s crust. It is present in various forms, the most being quartz which is crystalline in character. Typical examples are siliceous sands and rock crystal. There are also various other crystalline forms such as tridymite and cristoblite. All types when fused at 2000°C give a vitreous material. Fused Silica Glass is a unique material with an unrivalled combination of purity, high temperature resistance, thermal shock resistance, good electrical insulation, optical transparency and chemical inertness. This material is widely used in the production processes of the semi-conductor industries. The outstanding characteristic of silica glass is its very high degree of purity (99.99% SiO2). It also has excellent thermal properties with an extremely low coefficient of expansion 0.55 x 106cm/cm°C (0-300°C). This makes the material particularly useful for optical flats 7 furnace windows, where its minimal sensitivity to thermal changes is of benefit. Another related property is its high resistance to thermal shock. Thin sections can be heated and cooled rapidly without cracking. Some technical references report, heating the material to 1100°C, then plunging into cold water with no adverse effects. Data Softening Point 1683°C Density 2.20 x 103Kg/m3 Annealing Point 1215°C Strain Point 1120°C Rigidity Modulus 32 x 106KN/m2 Continuous Operating Temp 1000°C Compressive Strength 20 x 106KN/m2 Electrical Information Tensile Strength 70 x 103KN/m2 Electrical Resistivity 2 x 1019 ohm cm at 20°C Shear Strength 70 x 103KN/m2 2 x 106 ohm cm at 800°C Moh’s Hardness 6 Dielectric Strength 10KV/mm at 20°C Total Metallic Impurities 10ppm (Typical) |
I'm still hoping I'll be able to get my hands on a sample of these BBs for some other testing.
Among other things I want to see how safe/dangerous they are around vehicles, considering many events have cars/trucks around on the field (either as part of the game, or to ferry gear/game officials, etc). |
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This is a big reason why they have a warning right on the label... so use around your vehicle, house, ect at risk. |
Out of curiousty does having your hopup spin set to high or low change the velocity? So cyma clear plastic bodies are just to brittle I guess ... I'd expect nothing paying $200 for a new gun.
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Where does one acquire these silica BBs? I can't find any mention of them on BBB's website.
I would like to test them out. The extra punch would be good for cans and targets. |
I don't think they are out yet. A bunch of us got samples from TAC10 to test them out.
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Oh cool.
I was worried that they came out and then got pulled from the market before I could get in on the fun. edit: Scarecrow - feel free to send me a sampler. :D |
samples are drained, but the supply will be in mid-next week...
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Update on supply:
I thought they came in with the Claybank 2010 BBs (which BTW, are on their way to Amos in Winnipeg, should arrive next week), but they were shipped separately. The Silicas are on the dock at the Port of Vancouver and are flagged for inspection, I understand I should have a release by Tuesday and add a week of transport to me, I should see them sometime late next week. Everything come to me out of POV appears to be getting inspected up the whazzoo. Not sure why. Anyways, they're arrival is imminent. |
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Don't color them. Clear is as distinctive as they get - find a few clears bouncing off walls around you and there'll be no confusion. The clear factor is most of the appeal anyway - it's not like the glass breaking feature is all that useful, and they're not the only .28g BBs around. If you don't want them used at your field, tell the players and they'll respect that. If they don't respect that, then maybe you should reconsider why you let them come to your field. |
I honestly don't know what the problem is for gaming, unless you're worried about breaking some on-field glass or optics.
From what we've heard so far, they're goggle safe. That's not saying that no further testing should be done, but we shouldn't rule them out so quickly. If they won't break, they might also be a safer option for fields who use mesh screen goggles, as those leave the eyes vulnerable to shattered plastic BBs. |
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I'm still curious of why them hitting you would hurt more.. (sorry, very passive sentence, but needed the effect). Since you're (skin) isn't that hard, the bb won't deform. If the bb doesn't deform, hardness won't make a difference, so a .28 will be a .28. On the other hand, if you hit something such as a car windshield, something hard against something hard, the plastic bb deforming will absorb some of the impact (think car bumper). The one thing I might think of, is I'm assuming the glass is smoother, so maybe slightly more aerodynamic, so maybe more energy upon striking?
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Polymer bbs or bio material aren't as strong, when they hit an hard surface they tend to deform, break. In a sense, not all the energy is transfer to the surface, some goes to destroying the bb itself. |
I mean that's true for something like goggles and walls and such, but when getting hit, I don't understand how it could hurt more. something with the same weight size etc, will hurt the same imo, unless the bb deforms or shatters when it hits your skin, but right now I'm thinking that the bb is so much harder than your skin, that it will be basically the same.
In physics, (last semester) we learned about conservation of momentum, where an object bouncing off imparts the same force on the wall, but the net change in momentum in doubled. (totally elastic collision). Density of the plastic bb and the glass bb will be the same, as density is mass over volume, and mass and volume are the same. You're thinking it will impart more energy upon impact because it doesn't deform (that is true), but I'm talking about getting hit (you as in person). |
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Well, I mean, goggles like flakjacks can survive buckshot from a shotgun. What we need is high speed footage of each bb hitting a hard object. I mean, I just returned a camera that could do 1000fps, (it was 115$) but lighting would be an issue. Also, 1000fps isn't enough imo. At 500 fps, you'll get like 2 seconds of footage if you're like a foot away. I don't think goggles are as big of an issue as glass, because instead of the bb deforming, the goggles would deform slightly to absorb more impact. (think kevlar vest). Another thing is that, unless you're shooting bb's at like a concrete block, I'm not totally convinced that the bb's (plastic) deform in any meaningful way. A sphere is the most compact shape (that's why "bubbles" on deep sea ships are spheres, because they can cope with the most pressure). In the same way, I don't think a bb would deform before it would shatter. Something like a tennis ball deforms because it's outer shell is elastic and it's filled with air. And for ballistic protection, they're also dealing with projectiles moving 2 or 3 times faster, and maybe 2-3 maybe up to 10 times heavier. From a quick search, the muzzle velocity of a shotgun is around 1600fps. So the kinetic energy that ballistic goggles have to cope with is around 30 times more, depending on how fast your bb's travel, how heavy they air, and what kind of buckshot you're using. (assuming the buckshot is 3x heavier and 3x faster)
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As I have said repeatedly. Googles and lenses are rarely the issue. It's the frames that surround glasses/goggles that break.
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There are a lot of concerns and a lot of assumptions, but not enough testing has been done to condemn these BBs yet.
The point was made that regular BBs don't deform much under normal shooting conditions and I'd have to agree with that point. I used to shoot a 400FPS gun with a 6.03 Prometheus tightbore at my basement targets (mainly cardboard) and reuse the BBs (KSC Perfect .20g). I would gather the BBs up after I was done, wash them off, pick out the shattered ones, then re-oil them and load them back up in the gun. Never had any jams. |
I'm wondering, will these bb's be much cheaper than the bioval biomax bb's, because 32$ for 3700 bb's, (.27's) seems a bit much, but then again, these will be solely used in my bar-10, so they should last forever. When you think of it in per bb, I guess it comes out to like $.009 per bb, which is still half as much as a paintball.
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With Bastards you buy by the 2000 count, not the weight. It comes out slightly cheaper per bag and per BB, but, most of my customers prefer 2000 count simply because of the form factor of a 2000 count bag and its lower cost per purchase event. Don't forget, 75% my product is sold at fields on game day. Being able to fill a couple mags and shove the bag in a cargo pocket or M16 mag is a convenience most people like. Sticking 1kg of BBs in a cargo pocket or M16 mag pouch isn't viable, its either too heavy or doesn't fit. Splitting a 1kg bag takes planning and people like being able to buy on game day and get on with the game, not distribute their BB loads. |
Re: BB Bastard Silica .28g bb's
Given Kokanees initial test findings indicating optics, goggles (and potentially teeth) are at increased risk to clears - why is the onus solely on players to do further testing and confirm they aren't too damaging?
Shouldn't the supplier be confirming this first before release to the general public, as a responsible move to prevent them appearing in games without all players having informed consent they are in use? Ie Not all hosts appear to be adding 'no clears' to the usual 'no bios' rule - which implies game-on for clear use no? Just seems like this may be a potential disaster waiting to happen via a 'let's see what happens' approach - or am I missing something? |
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for the cost factor of a bag of .28's, it's really not all that much more as you noticed. I usually run .25's outdoors but switched up to .28's since there was going to be a terminator game. I was surprised that my M4 (new build) just loved .28's while .25's went about 40 feet. I used almost 2 bags of .28's and a wack load of .25's for grenades. :D |
Im really surprised by the level of machismo that has prevailed throughout this thread. Calling people pussies or using child like language to belittle (ect. Boo boo) is a little silly. If people have serious quantifiable results from using these then that's great. But perhaps we should just leave the name calling and insults at the door.
Try to avoid making a claim without any evidence to support it, lets pretend we are all actually serious about investigating the possible risks this product might have so that it can be either vetted for field use or relegated to target shooting. Also, just for note about people claiming that lenses are not an issue here. How many of us actually replace our lenses after a strike? |
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His reasoning is valid as he's itterated in the past...[paraphrase] he does not want to be seen in any way shape or form to be an impartial influence in the construct, execution or analysis (rigorous or not) of any tests. His experience has demonstrated to him that the approach that works best (for him) is to have the player base try it, criticize/praise it, and provide feedback. (He'll soak up the criticisms pretty good and is actually quite modest re. praise) He's willing to do what needs to be done based on that feedback, whether it requires him to develop and source a completely new product line and risking financial stability (i.e. the massive stocks of 0.28's that he almost had to feed his kids with a year or two back) or cancelling an existing product line because they're proven to be substandard/not-wanted. So...is that fair. Yeah, it is. Might not suit everyone...but it works for the majority. Re. cost....if the costs of BB's...be they $10/2000 or $30/4000+...is too expensive relative to all things involved in airsoft, guys need to reprioritize their budgets. Personally...I hate the fucking bags that he sells them in. I'd rather buy by the pail full...and just put it into the collection of bags/bottles that I already have. The empty bags (while well made) are too big for storing RDS batteries/odds and ends....and too small for packing radios/headsets/etc... Renegade) was stunned that he sold out so fast at the last FR game. If the sign up is looking the same for next one, he needs to bring 30-50% more than he did this time. Heavier weights 0.28's are clutch at FR...the open surroundings and shots from one hill to another need a heavier BB to carry predictably. Even then when the wind died down there's still enough breeze to hook long shots. |
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I'm not fully versed in the reaction of BB's to humidity/moisture...so to say, "I want to buy a pail full..." might be irresponsible if they're just going to get ruined over the season by improper storage on my part.
I don't know if you receive your supply prepackaged/bagged/boxed already....or just receive 50gallon drums of them, which are then packaged locally. If it saves on packaging work...I'd skip the consumer-side need for packaging. I've got LOTS of empty BBBastard bags (I'm sure a lot of guys do). I've got other containers suitable for "bulk" BBs as well. Myself...it'd like to be able to send in a container, say "filler up with 0.xx g BBs" and have it shipped back. I'm assuming you sell by packaged weight and don't actually count unit quantities :)...and would just "bulk-food store scoop" them in until it's full. I'd just fill my "go to game" kit with scoops of BB's and take what I need in the packaging I have. I go though LOTS of ammo testing and troubleshooting stuff....it'd be nice to just scoop BBs out of a bucket vs. tearing open baggie after baggie. The last 4 games (2 months span) have consumed a min of 10 bags of ammo between 3 of us (claymores, 40mm grenades are the worst culprits)...and we haven't even taken a SAW/LMG out yet. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's going to be a gangbuster year for games. The cost of the ammo isn't so much an issue ('cause it's for fun!) but running around gathering ammo here and there is a pain in the butt. I had 6 bags of ammo beginning of Jan...now I'm down to the dregs and just enough for 2 good solid games. But...if you receive them pre-packaged and have to incur more expense or headaches to receive them otherwise...then that's the way it is. @ Blackthorne - root cause is that we are going through A LOT of ammo :) - travel and time to get BB's by the bag every week - if local game Bastard runs out guys are scrambling for the next game...or showing up to the game without ammo. If Dereck hadn't been there to sell BBs (i.e. slept in, got sick, car broke down)...there would have been dozen+ guys at that last game with nothing to shoot. Note: Maybe I should become a BBbastard Jr.... |
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I like the idea of bigger packaging as well, I go through alot of BB's and I always pour them into a storage tube that holds about 4000 and I can pour it into loaders easily. I always reorg the ammo out of any BB bags so the more the better.
In regards to the silica's. I shot the BB bastard silicas at Zeon's game and so did several others that had samples. I used all 2000 and had to go to my back up clear BB's. Never once saw anyone complain, notice they were silica, get an eye put out or run away screaming in pain. I know some people took headshots (Blanks) and it was not noticeable. I shot at the bus windows trying to get people inside, the windows did not break. Bear in mind the engagement distances were mostly between 20 and 150 feet. Up close and personal at less than 15 feet (like I would with any heavy BB) I was not shooting at the face, teeth or head area. As I have stated before any BB at that range will crack a tooth. If anything I noticed more people not calling their hits because they could not see the BB's hitting them. They could feel and hear them, then they would just look around and wonder what happened and play on. That was frustrating and a side effect of clear BB usage. I am only now getting better at tracking the clear BB's and you definitely need good eyesight and practice to use these properly at distance. But when you get it down the effect is awesome. MD |
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Keep the 2000s...
Those who need more than 2000 a game are a small minority. It's not a big deal to tear open a second bag to fill a 4000 round ammo tube every few weeks. Plus, 2000 round bags are good for pouches. And it would suck a lot less to tear/spill a 2000 round bag than a 4000. ....however.... I wouldn't mind seeing them in a well designed bottle with a spout. |
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cant wait till i can actually try these, personally i'm not afraid of being "hurt" by these, i wear proper face protection :/, like most smart people should. Mouth guards/ face masks should be a mandatory thing for fields, just to take out the risk of tooth destruction and the making of hill billies. That way people would stop qq'ing about silca bbs and we can get to shooting with them already!, im not terribly convinced with the receiver shots that became cracked and busted nuts, when a gun is fully assembled and the mag is inserted there would be much more rigidity and less room for the receiver to move i think, i could be horribly wrong but it might be a nice thing to test out. Lets do some tests with mags in and see what happens :/
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Why not use a piece of board, drywall, or the such, rather than shooting up a TM body?
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Yeah.... but he shot it in different places. We don't know that a regular BB wouldn't have taken off that same chunk of plastic, given the right shot.
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That being said, for your benefit: There are several threads, this being only one that discusses the matter. Its been a rather fragmented discussion over the past few months. Some of the discussion was addressed in BioVAL threads and reviews. You have to search around for it. Like I've said before and I will say again, this is player-choice driven. If you don't want to use them or play with them, don't. Hosts and field owners will have a position on it and its perfectly fair to ask if they are being used and if you're not comfortable with it and they are on the field, don't play at that game. Those choices are out of my control, but, I personally feel the risk is marginal compared to styrene or PLA. And if you are concerned to that level, then I would also recommend a more aggressive PPE policy on your goggles, replacing the lenses annually and replacing them whenever you take a hit on them - thats industrial health and safety policy North America wide when it comes to ANSI rated eye protection. My point in this is most people don't even do that, which I think puts them at even greater risk than playing with these. |
What about damage to inner barrels? Since these are a lot harder than regular BBs, would they be prone to cause damage to our tightbores? (Especially soft metal, coated bores, and/or dirty barrels?)
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I found it odd that I even had to mention it because, at least back in my day of AEG maintenance, when you found BB particulate in your feedpath, you immediately ceased use of the gun and got it repaired by a gundoc - the particulate indicated a problem. I think because of come AEG models regularly chopping BBs, some people think this is normal AEG behaviour - it is not, you have an issue that needs to be addressed. Hence its just another topic of discussion in the ASU AEG101 course. People have asked my why are we teaching a basic AEG course - this is an example of why. The flip side is, if you don't have styrene particulate in your feedpath, you're good to go. Just wait. If you think Silica was hard, you're going to be blown away by the next BB Bastard product release. |
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This is a crosspost from Kimbo over at JOCAirsoft in Alberta where some of this debate was going on (its gone quiet now, most people who want to play with Silica are playing with it.). This may be what some of you are looking for.
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great test results there Jay.
I agree with the mouth guards though, if one fears that they will lose some teeth, they should take the proper precautions prior to hitting the field. I've played against people with the silica's and really had no issues. though, I would probably prefer to know they are out there before a game starts. field owners and hosts still should have the final say if they are to be allowed or not. |
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I have yet to try the BBB Silicas, but I look forward to it.
I happen to win a bag of BioMAX .27s in the contest here a little while ago. I am at about half the bag. I have used them at an indoor CQB field with a 345 fps rifle. The players there where aware that I was using glass BBs, and some complained. I shot a lot of people that night. Every single one of them, I went to ask if the hit was more painfull than usual. I have not received any complain about the glass BBs. Except that they could not see them arrive like the regular white ones... I have an ICS semi-clear receiver here somewhere, that will die for the cause when I buy the BBB Silicas. Also have a set of Bolle T-800 that never got hit close range that will also die for the cause. I have some BBB .28s, Armist .28s, BioMAX .27s, BBB .25s, Metaltech .25s and KSC .25s to test and see the results. I intent to do a full test, with photography after each shot and document the issue once and for all. |
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Thought you guys might find this interesting.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...fd/Stsheat.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stsheat.jpg LI-900 is 99.9% silica and is what space shuttle reentry tiles are made of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LI-900 |
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clean BB's + Clean barrel = absolute minimum of wear. (i would almost say 'no wear' but i know the engineers of this board will point out the impossibility of that unless we've developed frictionless surfaces :) ) bear in mind that BB's don't normally touch the barrel wall (should ride in an 'envelope' of air) |
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Check out the picture here: Tanio Koba Twist Barrel (For VSR) - Zero In : Airsoft Forums
It shows how the BB bounces inside the barrel going from left to right. Again, this is theoretical. I think an easy enough way to check this would be with a microscope. Check the BB before it's shot and after (catch the BB with a net or something) and if there are tiny scratches on the BB after it was fired, most probably, it left tiny scratches in the barrel. And after 10 thousand shots, it will add up to a more or less ruined barrel. |
While I believe there is BB contact during firing, I think it would take allot more than 10000 rounds to wear the barrel to a point where there would a detectable performance change.
BB Bastard is going to be testing this theory soon. We have just settled on a testing method and are sourcing the barrels and cameras required. |
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Be sure to test with barrels of different material, such as stock brass, aluminum (ex, Madbull), and stainless steel barrels.
Thanks for the testing! |
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